TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : John Davies, 14-Mar-2007, 11:57pm
No, no, a thousand times no!
Why the continual wish to re-invent the wheel?
The TRR site does contain lots of expertise and good advice, on the cars that it was set up to serve and discuss.
Why try to set up another databank as good?
Instead, we should work towards sharing that background knowledge.
But at present, you must be a member to post on the TRR BB.
I know that there are members there who own 'small chassis' Triumphs.
Perhaps they would like to be able to ask advice here?
Some sort of mutual exchange?
Trouble is the TSSC set out, unilatarally and without consulting its sister clubs, to be an 'all-Triumph' club.
Water under the bridge, but it did make for some very bad feeling at TRR, and elsewhere.
Lots of fence mending needed - perhaps this is a small opportunity?
Meanwhile, CT has a TR7/8 section too, and they and TRR can be read by non-members (I think).
John
Why the continual wish to re-invent the wheel?
The TRR site does contain lots of expertise and good advice, on the cars that it was set up to serve and discuss.
Why try to set up another databank as good?
Instead, we should work towards sharing that background knowledge.
But at present, you must be a member to post on the TRR BB.
I know that there are members there who own 'small chassis' Triumphs.
Perhaps they would like to be able to ask advice here?
Some sort of mutual exchange?
Trouble is the TSSC set out, unilatarally and without consulting its sister clubs, to be an 'all-Triumph' club.
Water under the bridge, but it did make for some very bad feeling at TRR, and elsewhere.
Lots of fence mending needed - perhaps this is a small opportunity?
Meanwhile, CT has a TR7/8 section too, and they and TRR can be read by non-members (I think).
John
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TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Hugh Glossop, 15-Mar-2007, 09:18am
Sorry john i think you completely missed the point, the Tssc welcomes with open arms ALL Triumphs, we ourselves have a herald an acclaim 2 spitfires a tr7sprint and a tr7v8 the only triumph that appears to be unsupported WITHIN the club is the tr7, is it not time we changed this?-
TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Graeme Lewis, 15-Mar-2007, 04:15pm
Oh no....you have an acclaim..!!! Is it brown with a vile tan interior????-
TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Neil Lane, 16-Mar-2007, 10:14am
As I responded in the original thread that appears to have gone 'walkies' from the messageboard, regardless of what peoples views are of the Triumph models out there, the badge on all of them says TRIUMPH.
The point made by Hugh is fairly clear in my mind. If I need supportand information for my TR7 from other clubs and organisations why do I pay my subscription to the TSSC for ??
Incidently the Acclaim owned by Hugh made short work of the motorway journey to the Stoneliegh show recently and performed alongside all the other traffic quite well.-
TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Kevin Rochfort, 16-Mar-2007, 10:48am
Whilst I'm not a fan of Wedges, I can see the point that is being made.
The TR7/8 is distinctly different from the earlier TR models, and is present in much larger numbers than the earlier TRs, so could probably support its own Register Secretary within the TSSC, allowing the existing TR reg sec to concentrate on the earlier TRs.
The concept is already well established, as we have seperate early and late Spitfire and Herald reg secs
To look at the issue in reverse, why do we have a Vitesse reg sec, after all, isn't a Vitesse just a Herald with a bigger engine
or why do we have a GT6 reg sec, as a GT6 is just a Spitfire with a bigger engine and a fastback roof
or why do we have Herald, Vitesse, Spitfire & GT6 reg secs, as all the cars share a common origin - shouldn't it just be a single Small Chassis reg sec
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TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Graeme Lewis, 16-Mar-2007, 11:30am
.....and as they are all Triumphs why dont we just have a Triumph reg sec...??? Although we would need a seperate one for Acclaims as they aren't real Triumphs.......you would need an 'Ugly Honda Saloon' reg sec.....
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TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Dan Owen, 16-Mar-2007, 11:40am
Stop this now! Go and drive one - if you think you're hard enough to have your opinions changed?-
TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Kevin Rochfort, 16-Mar-2007, 11:48am
I use one as a daily driver - ONE THOUSAND miles a WEEK !!!!!-
TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Vin Poonwassie, 16-Mar-2007, 12:13pm
Graeme, I think you should rethink your criteria as I am pretty sure it's politically unsound to appoint a reg sec purely on how ugly that person looks........-
TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Graeme Lewis, 16-Mar-2007, 12:33pm
I'm going to take up fishing to see if I get as many bites down on the water as I do on this messageboard!!!!
I can imagine the Acclaim driving experience...........dull & modern like....!!! Bit like an 80's Japanese saloon......oh but I forgot, thats what it is!!!!-
TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Wayne Farnworth, 16-Mar-2007, 12:46pm
So the Prozac runs out and you're off down the shop to buy some fish bait eh?........
Very resourceful Graham, I'm impressed by your ingenuity.
Good luck
Wayne
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TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Graeme Lewis, 16-Mar-2007, 01:01pm
I can see that you are impressed.....but please.....no more compliments.....oh & by the way....try & spell my name correctly please Dwayne......
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TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Wayne Farnworth, 16-Mar-2007, 01:05pm
Graeme,
My apologies, but if your cunning plan comes to fruition you probably won't even remember your name let alone spell it correctly
Wayne
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TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Leon Guyot, 16-Mar-2007, 08:53pm
To look at the issue in reverse, why do we have a Vitesse reg sec, after all, isn't a Vitesse just a Herald with a bigger engine
>>>No, it isn't, there are a large number of very different parts, actually it's probably more accurately described as a GT6 with a different body?
or why do we have a GT6 reg sec, as a GT6 is just a Spitfire with a bigger engine and a fastback roof
>>>Again, GT6's have lots of very different parts from Spitfires.
or why do we have Herald, Vitesse, Spitfire & GT6 reg secs, as all the cars share a common origin - shouldn't it just be a single Small Chassis reg sec
>>>The Register Secretaries do their work in their own time, for free. It would be most unfair to expect one person to answer all questions from all people about so many cars...
>>>The current system has worked perfectly well for many years, so why change it?
Regards
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TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Kevin Rochfort, 16-Mar-2007, 10:13pm
L&195;&169;on, So are you for or against splitting the TR registrars job into early (real
) TRs and late (wedges of cheese ) TRs
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TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : John Davies, 16-Mar-2007, 10:48pm
All,
What short memories you have!
The unilateral announcement that the TSSC would forthwith become a club for all Triumphs caused extreme offence to the TRR.
That bad feeling rankles still, and can only hamper the joint action that will be needed to promote ALL Triumph clubs in the future.
To set up a rump TR7/8 register will make that joint action all the more difficult.
Please think again, and ask yourselves if a TSSC TR7/8 register can achieve something that the TRR cannot.
Unless that is something very important, don't.
John
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TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Wayne Farnworth, 16-Mar-2007, 11:01pm
John,
I don't understand?
There is already a TR register in the TSSC, so why would it upset anyone to divide it into early & late models (which is what is being suggested I think?)
It wouldn't be a new register just a realignment of an existing one?
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TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : John Davies, 16-Mar-2007, 11:16pm
Scrap the TR registers altogether for the above reasons.
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TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Wayne Farnworth, 16-Mar-2007, 11:39pm
John,
I still don't understand. Club Triumph has TR owning members. Why is that any different?
Good luck to them, and TSSC and TRR.
I can't see why anyone minds that any of the Triumph clubs should cater for any of the Triumph models?
Gives everyone more choice surely?
A good point made earlier in this thread by Neil, why should he pay to join one club and then go to another for help with technical problems?
Wayne
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TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Leon Guyot, 17-Mar-2007, 06:26am
FOR.
No reason not to split.
Besides, it shows, to my mind at least, a healthy situation, where there are sufficient numbers of TR wedge owners in the TSSC to make a seperate register desirable.
Of course it will upset/annoy the other clubs, but competition is a good thing, and I am sure that the good people who run the TRR and CT are adult enough to comprehend that!
L&195;&169;on
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TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Barry Lane, 17-Mar-2007, 07:46pm
The original thread somehow mysteriously managed to get itself moved into the &8220;TR&194;&8221; section of the message board and is running in parallel to this one. Who moved it I ask myself ????
I think some people are missing the point completely and totally over complicating the matter. This isn&8217;t an attempt to break up the TSSC or fragment the Triumph movement as a whole.
It was a suggestion by a man who owns many different Triumphs who felt that the coverage devoted to the TR7/8 in the Courier was minimal at best. As a Wedge owner myself I agree fully and must confess to reading my Courier each month hoping to find something about the TR7/8 only to be more often than not disappointed.
I don&8217;t think I would feel particularly welcome being a member of a club who as John is suggesting directs some if its members to other clubs for advice and information. If I wanted to do that I would have joined them instead.
Hugh&8217;s original comment was:
&8220;Its becone increasingly evident that our present Tr register man (TLD) has absolutly no intrest in the Tr7/8, with the increasing number of TR7/8's in the club is it not time to split them out and appoint a new registrar for these cars, as the people i know with them (myself included) will not feel left out in the cold."
Hugh is volunteering himself to write a column in the Courier dedicated to the Wedge which I&8217;m sure like me other owners would enjoy reading. This would without doubt draw stories of projects, experiences and other relative information from TR7/8 owners which would undoubtedly make the column as successful as those for the other models. Who knows it may even herald (no pun intended) the start of an IVR scheme for the TR7/8.
We all pay our membership so in my eyes we are all equally entitled t read about our own models in the Courier if there is someone who is willing to write the column. After all it is more likely that more new members will come to the TSSC with a Wedge than any other Triumph model just by virtue of the fact that there are still plenty out there to be had. So surely we ought to be able to accommodate everyone to help preserve and build the membership of the TSSC or should TR7/8 owners just pay their membership to subsidise the other models?
There must be many club members who own a TR7/8 or may own one in the future who would welcome this column as an addition to the Courier and an asset to the TSSC in general so lets give Hugh our help and support.
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TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Danny Stroud, 17-Mar-2007, 08:49pm
Well said Barry, as a Spitfire mk3 and a TR7 owner I totally support a TR7/8 register.
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Posted By : Paul Mason, 18-Mar-2007, 09:35am
Yes, why not. If someone is willing to give up the time and make the effort. I own a Spitfire 1500, TR7 and a TR6 and I also belong to the TSSC, CT and TRR. I like all classics but love my Triumph whatever the flavour.-
TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Vin Poonwassie, 18-Mar-2007, 11:18am
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TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : John Davies, 18-Mar-2007, 06:55pm
All,
Barry said, "I don't think I would feel particularly welcome being a member of a club who as John is suggesting directs some if its members to other clubs for advice and information. If I wanted to do that I would have joined them instead."
Please Barry, don't confuse my opinions with TSSC policy. I am not an officer of the TSSC nor the TRR, but am a member of both, and I express my opinions on both bulletin boards. My opinion, as I have often stated, is that Triumph needs to bring itself together, rather than to further fragment by having rival clubs for the same market, that of the TR series and its owners. IMHO, the TSSC as it was then managed made a most unwise decision to unilaterally announce itself as the All-Triumph club. That caused enormous offence at the TRR and will hamper attempts to bring the clubs together for a very long time.
Why should we bring them together? May I suggest you attend the MG International? The MG equivalent of our Stafford meeting, it includes all MG clubs, every MG from the first to the last, hundreds of stallholders (yes, I said hundreds), thousands of people attending and lastly it is held at SILVERSTONE! Okay. not everyone enjoys motorsport but the other entertainments are enough for a non-sporting meeting as well, with more than ample camping space and excellent facilities. Only the purchasing power of the combined MG clubs permits this. Such power is staying power, for now and the future, and I want Triumph to exist for a lot longer than I do.
And you have the best possible excuse to attend that meeting, for Triumph will be there! On the 23rd and 24th June, the Jigsaw TSSC/TRR Race Championship will hold not only one, but two of its races at that meeting! See: http://www.racing-triumphs.co.uk/
If TSSC and TRR can cooperate in motorsport, why do they need to compete off the track?
John
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TR7s and TR8s as a seperate register?
Posted By : Hugh Glossop, 20-Mar-2007, 06:46pm
John i know for a fact the Tr7/8 is considered a poor relation to the chassied Tr's in the Tr register and almost shunned, i dont think it would make a bit of difference if we had our own tr registrar.
It would however help our own members within the tssc which is what we are talking about here.
As you know i have volenteered!.
why dont you volunteer to run another all triumph club meet like the silverstone meet for Mg's (under tssc guidance) if that is the way you feel , the ball is in your court?
hugh Glossop
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