Section : Oil and Filters

Rocker Oil Feeder Kit 

Posted By : Alexander Bell, 27-Jul-2006, 11:03am

• Rocker Oil Feeder Kit 

  Posted By : Ian Mulford, 27-Jul-2006, 11:25am

  A quote from another thread running at the minute "Rocker feeds are a very good way of getting lots of your engine oil up to the top, back down the valve guides, through the cylinders and out the exhaust"

• Rocker Oil Feeder Kit 

  Posted By : Mark Stradling, 27-Jul-2006, 11:41am

  Your start-up noise is more likely to be bottom end that top end and there is the potential for the rocker oil feed to actually make this worse, by robbing oil pressure from the bottom to feed the top (though this is more of an issue on the 6s than the 4s).
  
  If you have a race engine, or roller rockers then I believe the oil feeds are considered a good thing. Most of us don't.
  
  If you want to reduce the noise on start-up fitting a (slightly) more expensive oil filter with a non-return valve will probably do more good than anything else.

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    Posted By : Alexander Bell, 27-Jul-2006, 12:23pm

    Thanks for the help!! i will recosider putting a feeder kit on! is the oil filter with the non return valve on very expensive!? I was considering putting a oil cooler on! (the therostat 1) so when i do that i will get a better filter as well! thanks again!!

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      Posted By : Clive Speaks, 27-Jul-2006, 12:47pm

      Alexander, why are you looking at doing this? The knocking on start up and reluctance of the oil light are all typicaly Triumph, especially on the 1500. How many miles has your engine got on it? It is not unknown for a 1500 bottom end to need a re-build at 30,000 miles.
      IMHO be very careful with all this. By all means fit a filter with a non-return valve, they are not that much dearer, maybe a quid or 2. One of our members has just had to re-build the bottom end of his 1500 Spit due to oil starvation problems caused by an oil cooler. When stood for any lenth of time, the thermostat let the oil seep back into the sump which left the crank starved of oil for even longer than usual on Triumph engines
      It is now off the car and the filter (an non return type) remains full!! Hurrah.
      
      best of luck!

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        Posted By : Alexander Bell, 27-Jul-2006, 03:35pm

        thanks for the advice! my engine has done 186000 miles roughly!! i did do sort of a rebuild last winter but i didnt touch the crankshaft! i changed the gaskets and main bearings because they where rattling like made!! what do i do!? do i have to take the engine out and get a new crankshaft or do i just get it regrounded!! where do i go to get the crankshaft regrounded!? i also have a leak on the sump which not a un common thing supposely! (you can tell im a learner!) HELP!!!!!!!!! i will sort it eventually!!

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          Posted By : Mark Stradling, 27-Jul-2006, 04:16pm

          I'd probably suggest going to your local area meeting and getting someone else to listen to the rattle first hand. To an extent "they just do that", then again it could be the crank a little worn but with the new shells you've put in it might be happy like that for another 30,000 miles, or it may be a death rattle.
          
          Time for an experience ear.

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          Posted By : Clive Speaks, 27-Jul-2006, 04:16pm

          I would certainley look at the crank again. If you can get the crank out yourself, it's not actually that dear to have it reground but you will need to by a new set of shells to match the re-ground crank. Will only need to replace it if it is seriously undersized or very badly scored. While you are at it, you might want to replace the oil pump as well. Don't know about the leaking sump though. Is it holed or just spread a bit and leaking round the edge.

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            Posted By : Alexander Bell, 28-Jul-2006, 07:46am

            The rattle happens around the 3000-3500rpm its not extreme but it is noticable! the leek is coming from the sides! i cant get the bolts tight enough! someone has tightened some of the bolts too tight and have threaded the bolts! i have a solution to the problem and that is re tap the holes and put bigger bolts in!! it shouldnt be a hard job! is the crank easy enough to get out!? if i take the sump off i might as well get the crank off!! Do you think i can do it with out taking the engine out!? meaning take the sump off and work underneath the car!!

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              Posted By : Mark Astley, 28-Jul-2006, 08:41am

              Hi Alex,
              
              If the crank has to come out then it's engine out first as you have to remove flywheel and lots of other stuff as well.
              
              Bring it back to the meet next Sunday and take Geoff or Mark Ramsey out to listen to the noise and go from there. Mark will be able to point you in the direction of the reconditioners (and prices) he uses for his business.
              
              Let it sit in the carpark for half an hour and get a gang of us out to listen to it start as well, then we'll all waffle on for a bit like proper blokes.
              
              See you Sunday after next?
              
              Mark

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                Posted By : Alexander Bell, 28-Jul-2006, 11:45am

                when the car has been sitting for a while the car makes a funny noise which sounds like a grinding noise at the beginning when the oil light is on! but a few seconds later its smooth! But if the car has been used for a long journey it isnt as bad! then when you get to a certain rev range i think its 3000 -3500 it sounds like a nocking noise! i will be bringing the car to the meeting nxt sunday anyway so ill see you there! the car has done lots of millage tho!!
                I was considering taking the engine apart anyway and sorting out the oil leak! and maybe fiddling with the crank!

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                  Posted By : Mark Stradling, 28-Jul-2006, 02:16pm

                  Nothing like taking your car out to a pub and having a few burly blokes grab your nuts and start pushing/pulling them (pully nuts of course).

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              Posted By : Mark Stradling, 28-Jul-2006, 09:02am

              Not sure using bigger bolts around the sump will work - from memory there is only just enough space in the rolled back lip of the sump for the standard sized bolt head. One thing that would work would be Helicoil inserts, but I'd not like to try this with the engine in one piece (too much chance of getting swarf in to the engine).
              

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    Posted By : Martin Ashby, 07-Aug-2006, 06:31pm

    I bought a filter from Canley Classics its a Master parts MOF 93 thought i would check after leaving the car overnight,there was not a drop of oil in it,so the non return valve s not much good, someone out there must have a solution

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      Posted By : Chris Taylor, 08-Aug-2006, 02:13am

      Although Canley usually supply good quality parts, I've not heard of the make you mention. If you are sure the non-return valve has not done its job, I'd have a word with Canley. It MAY be a one-off dud, or the design may be just plain duff.
      I've used a variety of filter makes over the years (FRAM, TJ, Unipart, AC, Coopers) and had no particular problem with the non-return valve properties. I have heard of folks who have inserted a metal pipe extension into the adaptor that screws into the block, reaching up to top of the filter. However it needs to be a tight fit so that it cannot slip towards the block and obstruct the oil gallery, and also be the right length for a possible variety of filter heights. Such a pipe will not prevent oil seeping back through the filter and oil pump, but does limit the amount that can drain out of filter via the main galelry and bearings.