Newbie with -=Nasty=- Layshaft Bearings
Posted By : Jason Chinn, 23-Jan-2004, 03:38pm
Just type "Quiller" into the "SEARCH THE ARCHIVES" box on the right of your screen, this will give you all the messages where Quillers are mentioned,
same for any other trader you're interested in. Once you've read what customers think you can then have a look at the Top Traders - that will tell you
who's top of the list and who's bottom in terms of feedback scores. You should then be able to make your own mind up about where to get your gearbox
from.
Personally I would avoid the Ford box route - it's questionable whether it would have an adverse affect on the value of your car - possibly it might reduce it. However, you would certainly be in a minority when looking for help on it - I don't know of anyone running one of these. That reduces your options of support - I would stick with the tried and tested stock options if I were you - lots of support and knowledge available there.
An overdrive gearbox is a truly wonderful piece of kit - just think of it like another gearbox on the back of your normal 4 speeder - gives you 2 more gears at the flick of a switch - you don't use the clutch though.
If you go to your local area meeting you may be able to drive a Spit with overdrive - or get a ride in one, you can then compare what it really feels like.
Adding an overdrive gearbox (you can't just bolt an overdrive on) will add value and saleability to your car.
Conversion kits and/or the parts for a DIY job are all available at a price.
Personally I would avoid the Ford box route - it's questionable whether it would have an adverse affect on the value of your car - possibly it might reduce it. However, you would certainly be in a minority when looking for help on it - I don't know of anyone running one of these. That reduces your options of support - I would stick with the tried and tested stock options if I were you - lots of support and knowledge available there.
An overdrive gearbox is a truly wonderful piece of kit - just think of it like another gearbox on the back of your normal 4 speeder - gives you 2 more gears at the flick of a switch - you don't use the clutch though.
If you go to your local area meeting you may be able to drive a Spit with overdrive - or get a ride in one, you can then compare what it really feels like.
Adding an overdrive gearbox (you can't just bolt an overdrive on) will add value and saleability to your car.
Conversion kits and/or the parts for a DIY job are all available at a price.
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Newbie with -=Nasty=- Layshaft Bearings
Posted By : Paul Bodiam, 24-Jan-2004, 09:59am
Just been looking at Jigsaw Racing Services web site (in my opinion, a REPUTABLE trader), and he is offerring in his second hand stuff:
J Type 1500 OD complete kit &163; 350 incl. prop etc.
Newbie with -=Nasty=- Layshaft Bearings
Posted By : Christopher King, 23-Jan-2004, 03:44pm
Hi,
Welcome!!!
I'm not very experienced with Spits either, having owned mine for only a few months but I'm just going to say a few things that I would have loved to have known...
Check out the traders poll and look for the best. The kit form Quiller might not seem so good now...
Think about it, do you really need that extra gear/overdrive? I thought I needed an overdrive but in the end how many long trips down the motorway are you going to do? If the answer is lots, then maybe a new diff ratios would help?
I'm sure lots of more knowledgeble people will give you soon great advice!
Good luck!
Chris
PS: What part of the country are you from?
Welcome!!!
I'm not very experienced with Spits either, having owned mine for only a few months but I'm just going to say a few things that I would have loved to have known...
Check out the traders poll and look for the best. The kit form Quiller might not seem so good now...
Think about it, do you really need that extra gear/overdrive? I thought I needed an overdrive but in the end how many long trips down the motorway are you going to do? If the answer is lots, then maybe a new diff ratios would help?
I'm sure lots of more knowledgeble people will give you soon great advice!
Good luck!
Chris
PS: What part of the country are you from?
Newbie with -=Nasty=- Layshaft Bearings
Posted By : Paul Bodiam, 23-Jan-2004, 03:49pm
Hi Chris
To answer your questions in the order they were asked (roughly):
> What exactly is it?! ( i warned you i'm a newbie )
1) An overdrive is an additional electrically-operated gearbox that is fitted immediately behind the normal gearbox. It provides an additional gear ratio that may be selected in conjunction with both 3rd and 4th gears. Internally, the OD uses epicyclic (sun and planet) gears and a unidirectional clutch. When disengaged, it is direct drive (1:1) and when engaged, it gives a step-up ration of roughly 0.8:1
In my Spit 1500 (with a J-type OD) 3rd + OD is roughly the same ratio as 4th, and 4th + OD is effectively a 5th gear.
One of the great plus-points of overdrive is that you can engage and disengage it without lifting off the power. When indulging in a bit of spirited wiggly road driving, I almost never use 4th gear, leaving it in 3rd and using the OD when appropriate.
> How much will it drop my revs by?
2) Assuming my rough calculation of a 0.8:1 ratio is correct then you should see an RPM drop of around 20% for a given speed.
> Has anybody bought this?
3) I have no direct experience of the Quiller kit, and neither do I have any personal axes to grind about Quiller in general. However, you may like to search the archives of this message board for "Quiller" before deciding on your supplier. Canley Classics (among others) also offer an OD upgrade kit.
> Is fitting a new gear box easy?
> i assume that you have to take out the engine,
> and that you can't undo the gearbox and take it
> out the other way...
4) Yes, replacing the gearbox is easy. No, you don't have to take the engine out first!
You can remove the gearbox through the passenger compartment with the engine in place, or take the bonnet off and swing the whole engine and gearbox out with the aid of a hoist (available from most tool hire shops). I have done both at various times.
While you have the gearbox out, I would take the oportunity to inspect/replace the clutch as well.
The Haynes manual gives a very comprehensive step-by-step procedure for removing and fitting a gearbox. If you don't have the Haynes manual, get it! You can pick them up for around &163;3 apiece on eBay.
> How much does and engine and gearbox together weigh?
5) Too much to contemplate lifting on your own!
Engine hoist = cheap. Osteopath = expensive
> Or, should i bite the bullet and install a proper 5-speed box
6) It's up to you. If you are interested in "authenticity", then I would suggest you go for the OD conversion. (and they're a lot more fun on country roads) For any of the marks represented in your hybrid, a Laycock D-type would be the authentic choice - having said that, there is nothing to stop you installing a J-type as fited to the later 1500s.
Do the ford-based kits provide all the necessary adapters to fit to the Triumph bell-housing? It should also include an appropriate drive-shaft and chassis mounting plate.
cheers
Paul
To answer your questions in the order they were asked (roughly):
> What exactly is it?! ( i warned you i'm a newbie )
1) An overdrive is an additional electrically-operated gearbox that is fitted immediately behind the normal gearbox. It provides an additional gear ratio that may be selected in conjunction with both 3rd and 4th gears. Internally, the OD uses epicyclic (sun and planet) gears and a unidirectional clutch. When disengaged, it is direct drive (1:1) and when engaged, it gives a step-up ration of roughly 0.8:1
In my Spit 1500 (with a J-type OD) 3rd + OD is roughly the same ratio as 4th, and 4th + OD is effectively a 5th gear.
One of the great plus-points of overdrive is that you can engage and disengage it without lifting off the power. When indulging in a bit of spirited wiggly road driving, I almost never use 4th gear, leaving it in 3rd and using the OD when appropriate.
> How much will it drop my revs by?
2) Assuming my rough calculation of a 0.8:1 ratio is correct then you should see an RPM drop of around 20% for a given speed.
> Has anybody bought this?
3) I have no direct experience of the Quiller kit, and neither do I have any personal axes to grind about Quiller in general. However, you may like to search the archives of this message board for "Quiller" before deciding on your supplier. Canley Classics (among others) also offer an OD upgrade kit.
> Is fitting a new gear box easy?
> i assume that you have to take out the engine,
> and that you can't undo the gearbox and take it
> out the other way...
4) Yes, replacing the gearbox is easy. No, you don't have to take the engine out first!
You can remove the gearbox through the passenger compartment with the engine in place, or take the bonnet off and swing the whole engine and gearbox out with the aid of a hoist (available from most tool hire shops). I have done both at various times.
While you have the gearbox out, I would take the oportunity to inspect/replace the clutch as well.
The Haynes manual gives a very comprehensive step-by-step procedure for removing and fitting a gearbox. If you don't have the Haynes manual, get it! You can pick them up for around &163;3 apiece on eBay.
> How much does and engine and gearbox together weigh?
5) Too much to contemplate lifting on your own!
Engine hoist = cheap. Osteopath = expensive
> Or, should i bite the bullet and install a proper 5-speed box
6) It's up to you. If you are interested in "authenticity", then I would suggest you go for the OD conversion. (and they're a lot more fun on country roads) For any of the marks represented in your hybrid, a Laycock D-type would be the authentic choice - having said that, there is nothing to stop you installing a J-type as fited to the later 1500s.
Do the ford-based kits provide all the necessary adapters to fit to the Triumph bell-housing? It should also include an appropriate drive-shaft and chassis mounting plate.
cheers
Paul
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Newbie with -=Nasty=- Layshaft Bearings
Posted By : Michael Davis, 23-Jan-2004, 04:20pm
My thoughts. Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this people;
I believe overdrive 3rd is exactly the same ratio as standard fourth.
The overdrive top ratio is indeed 0.8:1
70mph in overdrive top in my spit 1500 with 3.63:1 (i.e. standard for that car) diff comes up around 3000rpm. It's very happy on a motorway.
When I fitted the replacement 'box to my car, I took the whole engine out and did gearbox fitting work at ground level where I could see what I was doing. Seemed like an easier option than trying to lift the thing out through the car. Other people have done it the other way round.
What else can I say...erm. Not a lot. Except that overdrive is probably about the best thing I've added to the car
in the last four years.
Mik-
Newbie with -=Nasty=- Layshaft Bearings
Posted By : Michael Davis, 23-Jan-2004, 05:18pm
Hmm, meant to say this as well...
"Floaty" feel at high speed - worth getting the tracking checked. My spit did this when I first got it and on having it checked, it turned out to be considerably toe-out rather than slightly toe-in like it should be.
Got it sorted and now it goes where I point it
Mik -
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Posted By : Nigel Gibbins, 23-Jan-2004, 07:27pm
Overdrive 3rd is very similar but not the same as 4th gear.
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Posted By : Charles Lowe, 23-Jan-2004, 10:57pm
The difference between 3rd+od and 4th is about 10%, but it means driving round London i can be in 3rd +od and just drop down to 3rd at the flick of the switch. Saves my left foot slightly, and impresses my friends who are used to their 5-speed gear boxes.
Charlie
1500 spitfire
(engine dead at the moment but hopefully the mechanic can get it fixed in time for Stoneleigh)
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Posted By : Mark Stradling, 23-Jan-2004, 04:33pm
[QUOTE]Now as i say, i'm a newbie, fixing my old one is well beyond me... spacing all those gears sounds difficult... Instead i want a perfectly
reconditioned one to whack in... I've searched around lots and then it dawned on me how nice a 5th gear would be...
(i don't like flying for 60/70 miles at a constant 4000/5000 rpm)[/QUOTE]
First off, take a look at this thread... http://www.tssc.org.uk/messageboard.asp?board=spit...
Don't worry about the specifics too much, but you will find a lot of discussion about recon gearboxes
[QUOTE]So, as i have never driven a car with an Overdrive i'd love to know;
What exactly is it?! ( i warned you i'm a newbie )[/QUOTE]
Basically it's a second, 2 gear gearbox slapped on the end of a normal box. The low (o/d out) gear is 1:1 (i.e. just passes the same input RPM to the output and does nothing), the high (o/d in) gear is.. something else and results in more turns on the prop shaft for each turn of the gearbox output shaft, or to put it another way, a slightly higher gear.
They run a lot like an auto box, using the oil pressure of the geabox oil to move the gear. You have an electrical switch to flick, that moves a solonoid( electronically operated valve, probably spelt wrong!) It only works - or is meant to at least - in 3rd and 4th, so as long as your gearbox oil isn't low swaps gear more or less instantly.
BTW You DON'T need to use the clutch pedal to change gear (something no-one told me when I was asking!) with the overdrive, in fact if you DO press the clutch in, gearbox oil pressure drops and it can't do the gear changing bit until you let the clutch up, build up the oil pressure and it can work again)
[QUOTE]How much will it drop my revs by?[/QUOTE]
About 500 RPM, depending on speed - o/d 3rd gives a much more useable 30MPH (just over 2,000 RPM) than 4th (bit too far under 2,000) in my 1300.
o/d top tends to work out about 2,000@40 2,500@50 3,000@60 3,500@70
Not enough torque in the 1300 to do much but cruse, but you can drop to 4th at the flick of a switch!
[QUOTE]At the moment my spit...;
Mk2 chassis and bonnet,
Mk3 roof, windscreen and a couple of other bits
Mk4 (FH 59xxxx) Engine Block[/QUOTE]
Humm, Not sure if you can fit a 1500, single rail box in a Mk2, but that's what I put in my 1300 Mk4, partly because that's what appeared in a friends scrap yard and partly because the o/d switch is encorporated into the top of the gear stick. If you have to use a 3-rail box the switch is meant to be another stalk on the steering column - are the readilly available?
[QUOTE]...runs really quite well (apart from occasional choke/cold start woes[/QUOTE]
It IS pushing 40 years old mate! I have cold starting problems at 30 years old. Car's not that good at it either. ^_^
Sorry for that joke.
[QUOTE], and a distinctly scary floating feeling at high speeds.) and i just wish there wasn't a deafening sound in 2 & 3rd...
Quiller Triumph has a 'kit' the looks right up my street; (a gearbox & overdrive)[/QUOTE]
DEFFINETLY read this thread! - http://www.tssc.org.uk/messageboard.asp?board=trad...
[QUOTE]Is fitting a new gear box easy?
i assume that you have to take out the engine, and that you can't undo the gearbox and take it out the other way...[/QUOTE]
Nope, it's not THAT hard (in a Mk4/1500, can't imagin 1/2/3 are much different). In a tidy car, remove one of the seats/footwell carpet (skip this in a scruffy car and just put something over the seat ^_^). Remove the geabox tunnel cover, support the box from below, unbolt and pull out through the car. Refitting is the revse.
[QUOTE]Or, should i bite the bullet and install a proper 5-speed box, i've seen quite a few kits using Ford Type 9 Boxes...
Anybody done this?
Are the ratios entirely different?
Will it fit my in my Mk2,3,4 car??[/QUOTE]
A lot of hastle compaired to a o/d I'd have thought (just need the o/d box and correct prop shaft). Probably going to mean custom length prop shaft and re-callibrated speedo as a minimum.
HTH
(i don't like flying for 60/70 miles at a constant 4000/5000 rpm)[/QUOTE]
First off, take a look at this thread... http://www.tssc.org.uk/messageboard.asp?board=spit...
Don't worry about the specifics too much, but you will find a lot of discussion about recon gearboxes
[QUOTE]So, as i have never driven a car with an Overdrive i'd love to know;
What exactly is it?! ( i warned you i'm a newbie )[/QUOTE]
Basically it's a second, 2 gear gearbox slapped on the end of a normal box. The low (o/d out) gear is 1:1 (i.e. just passes the same input RPM to the output and does nothing), the high (o/d in) gear is.. something else and results in more turns on the prop shaft for each turn of the gearbox output shaft, or to put it another way, a slightly higher gear.
They run a lot like an auto box, using the oil pressure of the geabox oil to move the gear. You have an electrical switch to flick, that moves a solonoid( electronically operated valve, probably spelt wrong!) It only works - or is meant to at least - in 3rd and 4th, so as long as your gearbox oil isn't low swaps gear more or less instantly.
BTW You DON'T need to use the clutch pedal to change gear (something no-one told me when I was asking!) with the overdrive, in fact if you DO press the clutch in, gearbox oil pressure drops and it can't do the gear changing bit until you let the clutch up, build up the oil pressure and it can work again)
[QUOTE]How much will it drop my revs by?[/QUOTE]
About 500 RPM, depending on speed - o/d 3rd gives a much more useable 30MPH (just over 2,000 RPM) than 4th (bit too far under 2,000) in my 1300.
o/d top tends to work out about 2,000@40 2,500@50 3,000@60 3,500@70
Not enough torque in the 1300 to do much but cruse, but you can drop to 4th at the flick of a switch!
[QUOTE]At the moment my spit...;
Mk2 chassis and bonnet,
Mk3 roof, windscreen and a couple of other bits
Mk4 (FH 59xxxx) Engine Block[/QUOTE]
Humm, Not sure if you can fit a 1500, single rail box in a Mk2, but that's what I put in my 1300 Mk4, partly because that's what appeared in a friends scrap yard and partly because the o/d switch is encorporated into the top of the gear stick. If you have to use a 3-rail box the switch is meant to be another stalk on the steering column - are the readilly available?
[QUOTE]...runs really quite well (apart from occasional choke/cold start woes[/QUOTE]
It IS pushing 40 years old mate! I have cold starting problems at 30 years old. Car's not that good at it either. ^_^
Sorry for that joke.
[QUOTE], and a distinctly scary floating feeling at high speeds.) and i just wish there wasn't a deafening sound in 2 & 3rd...
Quiller Triumph has a 'kit' the looks right up my street; (a gearbox & overdrive)[/QUOTE]
DEFFINETLY read this thread! - http://www.tssc.org.uk/messageboard.asp?board=trad...
[QUOTE]Is fitting a new gear box easy?
i assume that you have to take out the engine, and that you can't undo the gearbox and take it out the other way...[/QUOTE]
Nope, it's not THAT hard (in a Mk4/1500, can't imagin 1/2/3 are much different). In a tidy car, remove one of the seats/footwell carpet (skip this in a scruffy car and just put something over the seat ^_^). Remove the geabox tunnel cover, support the box from below, unbolt and pull out through the car. Refitting is the revse.
[QUOTE]Or, should i bite the bullet and install a proper 5-speed box, i've seen quite a few kits using Ford Type 9 Boxes...
Anybody done this?
Are the ratios entirely different?
Will it fit my in my Mk2,3,4 car??[/QUOTE]
A lot of hastle compaired to a o/d I'd have thought (just need the o/d box and correct prop shaft). Probably going to mean custom length prop shaft and re-callibrated speedo as a minimum.
HTH
Newbie with -=Nasty=- Layshaft Bearings
Posted By : David Balfour, 23-Jan-2004, 07:02pm
Hi Chris, and welcome!
I had similar thoughts when I bought my 1500 a year ago about fitting an overdrive. In the end, I decided that there were far better things that I could spend my money on, even if they weren't immediately apparent!
My dad has a Stag with overdrive, and it's great; at the flick of a switch you have a lower/higher gear - really great on country roads for some spirited driving! With my 1500 though, I would have to spend about &163;1000 on the kit, and still have to install it, which means cutting bits of metal off the tunnel and so on. In the end, it'll save a bit on fuel and add some life to the engine, but I decided that it would wait. Of course now I'm re-considering, as apparently the death of my engine and gearbox is neigh! (read the most recent thread on rebuilds!).
I've spoken to a few people regarding gearbox rebuilds, and Canley Classics seem the place to go - I haven't heard a bad word said against them yet.
Regarding the floating, check the tyre pressures as well as what other have suggested. Garages inflate them to stupidly high values, and the gauges on standard pumps aren't that great anyway, so get a proper measuring tool. It helped with mine.
Good luck! Keep us posted,
David
'78 1500
I had similar thoughts when I bought my 1500 a year ago about fitting an overdrive. In the end, I decided that there were far better things that I could spend my money on, even if they weren't immediately apparent!
My dad has a Stag with overdrive, and it's great; at the flick of a switch you have a lower/higher gear - really great on country roads for some spirited driving! With my 1500 though, I would have to spend about &163;1000 on the kit, and still have to install it, which means cutting bits of metal off the tunnel and so on. In the end, it'll save a bit on fuel and add some life to the engine, but I decided that it would wait. Of course now I'm re-considering, as apparently the death of my engine and gearbox is neigh! (read the most recent thread on rebuilds!).
I've spoken to a few people regarding gearbox rebuilds, and Canley Classics seem the place to go - I haven't heard a bad word said against them yet.
Regarding the floating, check the tyre pressures as well as what other have suggested. Garages inflate them to stupidly high values, and the gauges on standard pumps aren't that great anyway, so get a proper measuring tool. It helped with mine.
Good luck! Keep us posted,
David
'78 1500
Newbie with -=Nasty=- Layshaft Bearings
Posted By : Philip Wright, 24-Jan-2004, 11:54am
Hi Chris
I'd certainly recommend an O/D box, especially if you plan to use your car every day as it makes crusing along a main road much quieter and more relaxed. My car used to do 70mph in 4th @ 4000 RPM [3.89 diff]. Now in O/D 4th it pulls just over 3000 at the same speed - a big difference. I'll certainly have my car at stoneleigh if you want to see what an O/D car is like. If you want to track me down, speak to the carburettor guy [Andrew Tuurner] and he'll point you in the right direction. In the meantime though, i'm contemplating taking my gearbox out again to get the recom gearbox exchanged.
The moral of the story, do it properly first time round - go to kippings for your gearbox, as their guy really knows his stuff.
Phil - '74 Mimosa Spitty
I'd certainly recommend an O/D box, especially if you plan to use your car every day as it makes crusing along a main road much quieter and more relaxed. My car used to do 70mph in 4th @ 4000 RPM [3.89 diff]. Now in O/D 4th it pulls just over 3000 at the same speed - a big difference. I'll certainly have my car at stoneleigh if you want to see what an O/D car is like. If you want to track me down, speak to the carburettor guy [Andrew Tuurner] and he'll point you in the right direction. In the meantime though, i'm contemplating taking my gearbox out again to get the recom gearbox exchanged.
The moral of the story, do it properly first time round - go to kippings for your gearbox, as their guy really knows his stuff.
Phil - '74 Mimosa Spitty
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Posted By : Don Cook, 24-Jan-2004, 10:51pm
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Posted By : Philip Wright, 26-Jan-2004, 04:16pm
Don,
Certainly do, although i've found that the best way to avoid an ear bashing is to do the mucky stuff whilst the parents are out, and preferably out of the country!
Mum wasnt best pleased however when I tried to bake exhaust paint on
the exhaust manifold using her oven, subsequently filling the house with black smoke....
Gotta watch my spare parts store tho as i've known parts to go missing and end up at the local tip
Phil - '74 Spitty
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Posted By : David Balfour, 24-Jan-2004, 12:43pm
Chris,
Just another point of vague interest for you to consider. I'm currently in the process of panicking over the health of my 1500, and came across the Canley Classics J-Type O/D Information pages at
http://www.canleyclassics.com/infodatabase.asp?top...
I noticed that you can get different J-Type ratios, 25% is the standard Spit type, 27% for the types fitted to Volvos (240 series I believe) and 28% for the 2.5 cars.
May be useful if you wanted to monkey about with your cruising RPM without changing the diff.
David
Just another point of vague interest for you to consider. I'm currently in the process of panicking over the health of my 1500, and came across the Canley Classics J-Type O/D Information pages at
http://www.canleyclassics.com/infodatabase.asp?top...
I noticed that you can get different J-Type ratios, 25% is the standard Spit type, 27% for the types fitted to Volvos (240 series I believe) and 28% for the 2.5 cars.
May be useful if you wanted to monkey about with your cruising RPM without changing the diff.
David
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Posted By : Chris Herridge, 29-Jan-2004, 11:28am
Thanks very much to all of you who replied to this...
I've been put well off Quiller, and Canley or JY Classics will shortly be reciveing an email asking for prices of a D-Type overdrive
thanks again,
Chris Herridge
'65 Mk2,Mk3,Mk4 Hybrid
(i will post a pic soon)
I've been put well off Quiller, and Canley or JY Classics will shortly be reciveing an email asking for prices of a D-Type overdrive
thanks again,
Chris Herridge
'65 Mk2,Mk3,Mk4 Hybrid
(i will post a pic soon)
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Posted By : Mark Stradling, 29-Jan-2004, 12:03pm
[QUOTE]'65 Mk2,Mk3,Mk4 Hybrid
(i will post a pic soon)[/QUOTE]
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Posted By : Chris Herridge, 29-Jan-2004, 11:09pm
!!=How rude=!! 
I love my spitfire!, to me, its like a never ending mechano set, with the added bonus of being a very cool, fun car...
Parts are reasonably cheap and available.
Not too difficult to insure. (for a 19yr old)
Very easy to learn the mechnics of
And great to zoom around the rolling sussex contryside.
What more could anybody want?!?!?!
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