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Hypothetical situation.

Posted By : Calvin Andrew, 08-Mar-2007, 04:58pm

There is this Triumph Herald that came off the road years ago, with a view to restoration, it has been sorned continuously ever since it had to be. The thing is, the owners plans have changed and actually, the car that was going to be a herald was used to build something else Triumph.
One day, the DVLA reminder to resornn comes through the post and the owner realises that the only bit left of the car is a number plate in the shed and the DVLA reminder to sorn. The owner feels obliged to notify the DVLA that the car is no more but can't face admittiing that the car is dead.

What to do??? Should the owner resorn ad infinitum, or just accept the loss?
Calvin

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Hypothetical situation.

Posted By : Jonathan Binnington, 08-Mar-2007, 05:58pm

properly, if that is all that is left one should admit the fact

it would be improper to keep the memory alive, even if one had a good idea what was going to be done with the memory in the foreseeable future...

does that help?
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  Posted By : John Davies, 08-Mar-2007, 07:03pm
  
  Calvin,
  How can I put this?
  You are in deep sh*t.
  
  Is that 'caring' enough?
  
  DVLA quote "You will be liable for the vehicle until you have notified DVLA of the scrapping or sale of your vehicle".
  But you cannot now document the scrapping, unless the number plate, swinging in the wind, is evidence.
  So unless you can retrieve the parts, or substitute parts, re-asemble them and THEN scrap it, you are fated to linger in SORN purgatory for the rest of your life.
  Or in this case, as the DVLA is the residence of the motoring undead, for ALL TIME.
  
  A sort of Flying Dutchman, fated to attend Stafford every year, a grey presence haunting the autojumble in the search for the parts of your Herald.
  Women will calm their children in their camp site tents, as they ask, "Who is that strange man?" by sitting them on their knee and telling them, "He is the Heraldman - if you don't shut up and go to sleep he'll come and get you!" Triumpheros will huddle in the bar, as moans of "Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorn" echo around that lonely barn that will forever be your un-resting place.
  
  Oh, Calvin! A sad and sorry fate!
  
  John
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    Posted By : Calvin Andrew, 08-Mar-2007, 08:13pm
    
    Not me John, honest, this is a hypothetical situation remember, my"friend" might have to do the Stafford thing though, and he is mortified at the thought,
    Calvin
    PS, having listened to bull s**t from some people who know not how much it actually affects lives, it's nice to read some from such an accomplished bull s*****r as yourself, John I salute you,
    and so does my "friend".
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    Posted By : Jonathan Binnington, 08-Mar-2007, 08:17pm
    
    I say!, John a trifle dramatic there, have you ben re-reading the classics lately?
    
    perhaps there should be some element from "The Rime of the Ancient Trumpeteer" by Standard Triumph Coleridge
    
    something about "with my cross-bow I shot the Herald, boss"
    
    day after day, day after day
    we stuck, nor breath nor motion
    as idle as a painted skip
    upon a painted ocean
    
    four times fifty living men
    (and I heard nor sight nor groan)
    with a heavy thump, the lifeless lump
    unbolted one by one
    
    alone, alone, all all alone
    alone on a wide wide seat
    and never a mate took pity on my
    sorn in agony
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    Posted By : Chris Taylor, 08-Mar-2007, 08:26pm
    
    What evidence of scrapping does the DVLA require? Or is this ANOTHER task that is far too dangerous for mortals to undertake?
    The DVLA should be made aware of the true situation as (IIRC) an inspector can theoretically ask to see a vehicle to check that it IS stored at the declared location.
    As for the original posting, one might (theoretically) wish to be careful about declaring what other vehicle some of these components now inhabit lest there be questions asked about its/their true identity.
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      Posted By : Calvin Andrew, 08-Mar-2007, 08:29pm
      
      "the car that was going to be a herald was used to build something else Triumph".
      
      Like a Sofabed!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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        Posted By : Ian Mulford, 08-Mar-2007, 08:56pm
        
        My mind was going in this direction...
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      Posted By : Colin Wake, 08-Mar-2007, 09:12pm
      
      Surely you just need to fill out the V5c saying the car has been scrapped, and put it in the post.
      
      Or am I missing something???
      
      I tend to keep the V5's if I have kept enough bits of the car to put it back together someday, so having never thrown any bits away, I have a couple of V5's in the drawer.
      
      Cheers
      
      Colin
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  Posted By : Calvin Andrew, 08-Mar-2007, 08:17pm
  
  Binman, the ying to John's yang!!!
  Calvin
  (Spelling okay?)
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    Posted By : John Davies, 08-Mar-2007, 09:48pm
    
    Gotcha, Calvin!
    It YIN, not YING!
    
    And while yang is a masculine factor, yin is feminine.
    Have you ever met Jonathan?
    
    John
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      Posted By : Calvin Andrew, 09-Mar-2007, 09:15am
      
      I look to our french cousins for guidance, "poubelle" is indeed femimine, but BINMAN is "homme de la poubelle" or "Homme a la poubelle" thus rendering him masculine all over again.
      i have not met Jonathon, there are a whole raft of people on this forum that i have not met and i jhope that we can meet up at Stafford this year, it would be good to have a forum beer on the friday night in the bar, or at a designated tent somewhere in Staffordshire to put real faces to names/cars.
      cheers Calvin
      ps, Binman is not past tense English? i'm sticking with my french theory.
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        Posted By : Philip Brammer, 09-Mar-2007, 10:06am
        
        Hiya Calvin, just tell the dvla your 'friend' is a farmer and as such gets rid of all his rubbish by digging a bloody great hole in a field and burying it! The Time Team will one day excavate my old 1300 engine and gearbox if they dig deep enough!! ps no one wanted it so it's slowly recycling itself.....
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        Posted By : George Ralph, 09-Mar-2007, 12:33pm
        
        The Forum beer at Stafford is a great idea.....count me in!!
Hypothetical situation.

Posted By : Mike Crewes, 09-Mar-2007, 10:05am

Calvin

My advice, along with others, is to tell 'your friend' to return the V5 filled in as a scrapped vehicle. Simple as that - no reprecussions, because that's how the system works!

If he continues SORNing forever, he faces the fate that John has foretold of!

Regards
Mike
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  Posted By : Dan Owen, 09-Mar-2007, 02:42pm
  
  I "scrapped" a Mini once, years after the local council had carted away its mortal remains (I was saving the ID in anticipation of another project, then I bought a Herald). All you have to do is tick the "scrapped" box on the V5 and post it off to Swansea.
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    Posted By : John Davies, 09-Mar-2007, 05:47pm
    
    "All you have to do is tick the "scrapped" box on the V5"
    
    But reality is so BORING!
    
    Pray for Calvin's Immortal, but Insubstantial, Herald.
    
    Nhoj
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      Posted By : Calvin Andrew, 09-Mar-2007, 07:19pm
      
      Calvin's friend's immortal herald, if you please. It is a sad day.