Stafford - Is it really that good?
Posted By : John Davies, 18-Nov-2006, 04:58pm
Oi, oi, oi!
Have you put your head into a wasps' nest, Chris!
Read some of the threads below, where the debate has been furious.
There is a new team for next year, who are fired up with enthusiasm and new ideas.
Having been a critic, I wish them the best of luck and will support Stafford next year.
As it says above, Stafford is potentially the "pinnacle event" of the Club year, so let's not knock it now, but give them a chance to turn it around.
John
Have you put your head into a wasps' nest, Chris!
Read some of the threads below, where the debate has been furious.
There is a new team for next year, who are fired up with enthusiasm and new ideas.
Having been a critic, I wish them the best of luck and will support Stafford next year.
As it says above, Stafford is potentially the "pinnacle event" of the Club year, so let's not knock it now, but give them a chance to turn it around.
John
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Posted By : Philip Charlton, 18-Nov-2006, 06:34pm
its an over priced, rather boring and increasingly worse show.
this year i buggered off to Le Mans and was quite happy to get ripped off there because something interesting was happening.
Le Mans or sta.....whens the ferry set off?
this year i buggered off to Le Mans and was quite happy to get ripped off there because something interesting was happening.
Le Mans or sta.....whens the ferry set off?
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Posted By : James Dennison, 18-Nov-2006, 06:45pm
Have to admit, this years show wasn't great - not helped by bad weather and poor attendance.
But - I've followed the threads on the message board and read about the planned improvements and am looking forward to a revived show in 2007.
If half of the planned improvements come off, we are blessed with good weather and have a good crowd it should be a great weekend.
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Posted By : James Fotheringham, 18-Nov-2006, 10:18pm
I think general consensus is that Staffy used to be a great show. Has progressively gotten worse over the years, and this year was seen as a low point.
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Posted By : Andy Cook, 18-Nov-2006, 11:44pm
I will be in big trouble if I didn't say that Staffiod is the greatest Triumph event on the planet.
I met my wife to be there in 1999 and 7 years later after 6 years of marriage and 2 kids it is kind of special to our family.
I've been going nearly every year anyway and was there at the first one in about 1990/91 and have never come away without having an enjoyable weekend even when the weather has been cr@p.....
Miss it at your peril, overall its the premier Triumph event of the year. And set to get even better with Claire at the reigns (don't let us please down Claire!!!!!)-
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Posted By : Colin Lindsay, 19-Nov-2006, 12:18pm
Let me get this straight - Chris the original poster has been to Stafford six times, has camped for one night three times, didn't go to Stafford 2006, but feels able to criticise it by having read the reviews?
I was there, camped both nights with the family (who despite not being interested in Triumphs thoroughly loved it), bought masses of spares that postage would have crippled me for, rejected a few others that looked good in photos but in reality were rubbish, studied a lot of cars in the flesh and got ideas for my own restorations, took masses of reference photos, had a few test drives to compare other cars with mine, and spoke to a lot of new people who weren't cliquey in the slightest. Yes, I'm going next year, which will be my 11th Stafford since 1993. The thought of sitting in a field looking at static cars for a whole day isn't exactly the point.... plus the novelty wears off after about two hours.
Sitting at the tent in the evenings, with a beer, listening to the different music and accents and all the different nationalities, seeing the very individual and often highly personalised Triumphs drive past... it's one weekend a year. Quantity may be down, but there's still quality. I like it, I suspect a lot of other members like it, and if some members don't like it then there must be sufficient scope for another event that will keep them happy, hopefully not on the same weekend as Stafford.
You get out of it what you put in.
Colin
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Posted By : Danial Phoenix, 19-Nov-2006, 06:42pm
I went last year for the first time, Camped both nights, and it was the weekend after I got maried ended of the honymoon tour in the car nicely, (despite engine blowing up on way home, sorted now). My wife isent a big car fan but enjoyed the lovely weather and the enjoyable atmosphere. We camped in the noisy side and enjoyed it, thoght there was plenty of things going on, nothing that over fasinated me but diverse lineup for familys, and seeing the parts up close and seing what im buying was great, more traders would have been nice, but knew they was split between shows. But seing the cars and owners in person was great, in there varing stats/conditions but no less loved.
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Posted By : Jon Wolfe, 19-Nov-2006, 06:49pm
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Posted By : Claire Hill, 19-Nov-2006, 11:55pm
Thanks for the support, guys. I will do my very best not to let you down!
Hopefully, if you keep reading your Courier over the next few months, you will see many reasons to attend the 2007 International. And for those of you who don't attend....wait and see what you will have missed!!!
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Posted By : Stephen Coates, 20-Nov-2006, 09:38am
I attended 16 Stafford Internationals since 1990 (missed this years) and would have to say that the early to mid 90's internationals were by far the best, possibly the best shows put on by a Triumph Club. However I did see a rapid decline in the late 90s and unfortunately it never seemed to recover the earlier sparkle. It wasn't just the fact that attendances fell but also the increasing arrival of modern cars and motor-homes taking away the original spirit and camaraderie of Stafford in my opinion. Not that this is all the event organisers fault, club members have to take a portion of the blame as well for not electing to attend in their Triumph. This is fair enough if their Triumph is for whatever reason off the road, but other than that why take a modern car to a Triumph event. One thing I think is true of TR and MG owners is that they really love their cars and love to show them off at various events. I cannot imagine MG owners for example electing to leave their sports car at home in favour of their modern car. If you compare the Stafford International weekend to the TR Registers international weekend you would be amazed at the sheer number of Triumphs in attendance, reminiscent of the Stafford's early years. It is also a sad fact that many traders do not wish to attend any more, perhaps Claire and her team can persuade them otherwise for next years event. The above reasons are why I did not attend this years International weekend, other members may still find Stafford a brilliant event, but unfortunately I can no longer justify a 1200 mile round trip for an ailing show. I hope Claire and her team can turn this once great event around and make it the envy of the Triumph shows again. Steve-
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Posted By : Mike Crewes, 20-Nov-2006, 10:11am
Guys
I have been to every National and International event since 1982, with the exception of this year and that was only because it clashed with Classic Le Mans. I have also had the priviledge of attending in various guises, Member, Organising Team, Manager, Organising Team and now Member again. I got involved, because I thought I could help and I think I did! Most of the Organising Team get involved for the same reason, so if you think you can help, why not get involved.
So why do I go EVERY YEAR. Simply because it's the BEST ALL TRIUMPH EVENT there is! Not value for money? &163;17.50 for the weekend, including camping and a fantastic party? Ever tried going to the Clasic Car Show at NEC for the day, let alone a weekend?
Yes, I meet up with friends I have not seen for some time and yes, I do have friends all over the world, but that's because I made the effort to talk to them in the first place. I have NEVER been made unwelcome anywhere at an International Weekend. If you have not experienced the atmosphere and Comaraderie then you must have been there on a different weekend.
Your first weekend is often 'the best', because it is your first. I still remember my first, but the rest are nearly as good. As someone has already said, "You get out what you put in" and there is an awful lot to get out. Yes, it can be improved, but then can't it always. Claire and her Team have got some really different ideas, so come along next year and find out EXACTLY how good it really is.
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Posted By : Colin Wake, 20-Nov-2006, 01:33pm
Steve
I am sure Claire and her team would welcome you back next year.
Are you willing to make that commitment??
The eyes of every member is on her, and her plans.
I have always (with 2 exceptions, once when I was selling lots of parts, and teh other when I was on my way to Scotland for work) taken a TRiumph.
I would not dream of doing otherwise, but someone does need to find out why I am now the exception, not the norm .
I hope tp see you there.
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Posted By : Mark Stradling, 20-Nov-2006, 02:20pm
[quote]The eyes of every member is on her, and her plans.[/quote]
No pressure then, Claire! ^_^-
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Posted By : Claire Hill, 20-Nov-2006, 07:02pm
For all of those who attend the International in your Triumph - watch this space (and your Courier). There will be incentives this year to travel in your pride and joy.
(But to be honest, chaps, if five people live down south and all only have spitfires I would rather see those five there in a shared journey Vauxhall than not going at all)...now you can all aim the flak at me!!-
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Posted By : David Rumens, 20-Nov-2006, 08:17pm
Claire,
Flak not for someone who agreed to take on the International.
But to the point, from down South, Newbury, has had four Spits at the International in the past and we have at least one most years. But I will add that one of our member has a 2.5 PI Saloon which has carried some additional bits and my Estate has also proved useful in the past. Its all team work as you know, so lets have more Triumphs at the International.
Keep up the very good work.
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Posted By : Duncan Banks, 11-Feb-2007, 07:36pm
I hope that Claire can turn the Stafford show around this year, but it has to be said that it is a monumental task. In my opinion the biggest problem is that the show is VERY static. It is probably the only outdoor car show where cars are static. The cars are like museum pieces with no life. I attend a lot of Land Rover shows and there is a constant stream of vehicular activity, with driving contests, off road courses, twist off ramps and concours arenas etc. Now I appreciate that some of these things are not suitable for Triumphs but surely there must be more to do than drive down to Stafford ( Generally the most interesting part of the day/weekend) walk round a few traders stands look at some nice cars, get ripped off buying a botchulism burger and then what do you do with rest of the day. There might be a good party on the evening which might be something to look forward to. Then what???
In recent years, and I do not include last year because of Le Mans, show management have been saying that numbers are up. I question this fact. The first year we went the whole of the central field was full of Triumphs and there were people who were prepared to talk to anybody who would listen. Two years later the field was not even half full and numbers were up???
If numbers were up then people were coming having a look at everything (2hrs max) and then going.
The only way that the Triumph marque will improve these shows is to get ALL the Triumph clubs, and that means ALL to agree on a way of having one BIG show. The show would have to done on a none profit making basis and done at a venue where owners of cars are not punished for driving them. ( Subtle hint DONNINGTON ROCKINGHAM very central motorway connected has a piece of tarmac you can drive on)
The big thing here is all the TRIUMPH Clubs. This is not an increasing market, nobody is building them any more. I know there are movements to try and achieve this unification, but untill this happens, Claire. GOOD LUCK!!!!!!
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Posted By : Bill Goodwin, 11-Feb-2007, 08:27pm
In a word "Yes" it was for me. Living in the states I just can't go each year. I was there in 05 with my wife. While we did not camp we were there for 3 days. Some of you know I bought a Herald at the show. I also got to meet some of you who have turned out to be good friends. On my tirp over last October I again met up with some of you and like Stafford we had a good time. If you belong to a club it is only as good as you make it. I have heard all the roumors and while some my be true the wife and I have no regreats nor did we feel it was a waist. Stafford may have been like some shows overhere, same people, same cars, same traders selling the same old parts. I have met Claire and I'm sure she will do her upmost to make things better. Clair can not do this alone it will take as many of you that can go - TO GO! Look at it this way, 3 days of good family fun with the cars and people you love and enjoy. If we let events like this fade away they will not return and we and the hobby fade away also.
Claire: Good Luck, Hope You Pull It Off. Many are behind you don't let the nay-sayer's get to you!
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Posted By : Philip Charlton, 11-Feb-2007, 09:13pm
I reckon, the way to make the international more popular, especially with young people is:
Move to a place like donington, or rockingham where we can have drifty competitions, handling competitions, drag shoot outs or something like that.
Sub &163;35 rolling road shoot outs.
Track time.
Handling demos/lessons like mals car control.
This sort of thing where the cars get involved. Not just going into a hall to look at the underside of cars unused, trailered in and boring to hell. Something interesting needs to be there to do.-
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Posted By : Mark Field, 11-Feb-2007, 11:01pm
i think the best way to get young people interested in triumphs as stafford is to fill a 2000 est full of sweets and the first one to eat enough to make themselves sick wins a stomach pumping session at stafford general and more a family set of tickets -
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Posted By : Jonathan Ellis, 11-Feb-2007, 11:06pm
yeh bring it donno park!! lol id love that he he
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Posted By : Jonathan Ellis, 11-Feb-2007, 11:08pm
are yo saying that watching chaps clean thier car with cotton ear buds isnt fun and interesting
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Posted By : Mark Field, 11-Feb-2007, 11:12pm
dont forget the toothbrushes
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Posted By : Philip Charlton, 13-Feb-2007, 10:07am
maybe if the negative nay-sayers did get to those in charge, maybe numbers would increase and the show would be better?
Constructive criticism should be taken on board along with the praise, and evaluated.
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Posted By : Leon Guyot, 12-Feb-2007, 02:28am
Alistair & Duncan,
If you want moving vehicle activities at Stafford, why not go ahead and offer to organise something?
Oh yes, and you will doubtless enjoy dealing with the insurance companies, the health and safety executive, the RAC MSA, the local Police, and no doubt a host of other interested organizations/authorities that have made this unfeasible in the past.
I wonder how the organisers of the other events that you mentioned have dealt with these problems?
You could always help Claire by making it your business to find out?
Just suggestions to make the event more attractive.
Regards
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Posted By : Wayne Farnworth, 13-Feb-2007, 10:36am
Would it be an impossible task to turn this into a multi club event? People often quote the MG International as the yardstick.
If there are going to be displays / stands from other clubs there this year could we not extend an invitation for more involvement from them?
I know it wouldn't be easy to bring them all together but I think an all Triumph club yearly event would easily be bigger & better than the current MG one.
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Posted By : Garth Jupp, 14-Feb-2007, 07:12am
I agree with everything Leon has said, with respect to the red tape connected with anything that involves a moving car event. Until you try to organise any sort of event you do not realise the number of hoops you have to jump through and the cost both in time and money to organise something along those lines. My experiance of organising events have been for very much smaller events (the Isle of Wight and Lincolnshire camping weekends) however I have fallen foul of the RAC MSA's red tape even on that small scale. How many people have attended treasure hunts in or around there area? Were there more than 12 cars? If so it was not backed by the RAC MSA and as such the organiser of the event was leaving themselves open to a large fine or even a custodial sentence if god forbid there was an accident where someone was injured or killed. Far fetched? well ask yourself this would YOU be willing to take the risk?
This is only part of the problems that any event organiser has to take into consideration. I have nothing but admiration for Claire and those before her that have organised the TSSC International in the past.
It is easy to make other suggestions like..... " why can't we have it Rockingham, Donnington etc. There are several good reasons why the International is not held there and yes those venues along with others have been looked at approached and site visits undertaken. HOWEVER they do not offer the package that is on offer at the Staffordshire County Showground. They are vastly more expensive, do not have good enough camping facilities or catering facilities. However if having only a portaloo , a standpipe and a burger van are your idea of facilities then I suggest that you have a go at setting up some sort of event at one of those venues.
All the other Triumph clubs have been approached along with traders that have not been in recent years and the response has been very positive.
Yes things have changed since the early 90's at the International, but how much of that is " nostalgia". I know I look back and think " oh the 1990 show was better etc" but I am sure a lot of that is nostalgia and the fact that you were probably new to the club and the cars so were a little biased. Due to the ferry costs as I was living on the Isle of Wight at the time it was the only show I went to for several years, so compared to now where I attend many more, the International would have been extra special.
If you do have good ideas, then talk to Claire and let her know about them, even offer to help out and run them at Stafford yourself. The event is what YOU want it to be. If you go with the view it will be boring, then it will be, remember the people running it and putting in a lot of their own time and effort are not professional show organisers but ordinary members like everyone else.
Claire has taken a lot on, we should all be supporting her, helping her and more importantly attending the International and enjoying it.
Garth
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Posted By : Colin Wake, 14-Feb-2007, 08:11am
Garth (and Claire etc)
Has the research been done as to how all the other clubs have the cars participating actively at their events, but the TSSC is unable to at all.
Do they just ignore the rules??? I am not saying we should, but should we????
Are there easier hoops that can be jumped through???
I agree that the rules are difficult, I organised a 12-car treasure hunt (with 7 cars) a couple of years ago, and that was hard work. I didn't understand which way I was supposed to be jumping through the hoops, but I do now, and the jumping will be a lot easier next time.
Has it been made more difficult by the frankly stupid changes that mean that anywhere a vehicle goes now seems to be part of the highway, and so covered by legislation???
I have been to shows where people get a chance to take their cars round tarmac autotest courses while everybody else watches from behind a few straw bales. They must be legit as they do it every year, and someone would grass them up if it wasn't.
Cheers
Colin
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Posted By : Roger England, 14-Feb-2007, 08:39am
I have in the past organised "touring" events, and been involved in the Dream Rides through the Sporting Bears Motor Club. Whilst there is red tape it is not that onerous really.
As far as a touring event on the road is concerned, the key requirement is for the club to be registered with the MSA. The organiser of the event, or the club, then applies to the MSA for an exemption to hold a non-competitive event. Details of the route are sent to the relevant MSA area organiser who reviews it, and then, hopefully, give approval. The MSA orgainser will inform the police in the areas the event passes through that the event is to take place. The MSA issue an exemption certificate and its then down to the organiser to arrange the mechanics of the day. From experience by the most effort goes into planning and mapping the route.
The Dream Rides type of event does not require MSA approval, because it is an individual taking a passenger on a ride on public roads. The driver's normal insurance covers this. However, the club does need to have its own insurance in place as the overall organiser. In the case of the Sporting Bears, the rides were to raise money for charity so there was no fee to the driver (which would have invalidated any insurance - drivers and clubs) just a donation to charity. Each driver had to sign an indemnity, as did each passenger carrierd. Inevitably, health and safety came into play with the venue owners/managers, but the Dream Rides event has been run at the NEC, Brooklands, and other places without an onerous overhead of red tape.
I myself have blasted round the roads around the roads near the NEC with a very large traffic policeman as a passenger in a Porsche Spyder replica - the exhaust was VERY loud, and he loved every minute of it.
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Posted By : Jonathan Binnington, 15-Feb-2007, 09:18pm
roger, catching up here, very much like the "dream ride" idea perhaps even get a respected motoring writer to sample a variety of offerings and write a comparative article? eg spit 1147 vs 1300 vs 1500 vs 2500
also the driving skills tests how about:
judging the minimum width gap you can drive your car through from a distance (knock overable poles) heck even hungarians
ditto judging the minimum height under which one's car can limbo - score = clearance
reverse parrallel park into the smallest gap
reverse right hand turn into a minumum sized box
cup of water on the bonnet figure of eight, winner = whoever looses least
none of which need any speed at all, shouldn't pose any safety issues?
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Posted By : Claire Hill, 14-Feb-2007, 08:45am
One of our hardworking AO's has kindly offered to organise an autoskills driving test for the weekend. As stated, this is dependent on finding a suitable area to hold this that fits in with regulations and safety requirements. For all of those who have commented that the event is too spaced out this may cause a problem as we have to have it in an area that is not too widely pedestrianised. We are currently deciding on a location for this.
Regarding those who wish to use their vehicles at speed - this is definitely not the event for that. However, as a Club we cater for all needs - why not contact Nigel Gibbins, who I am sure, would be most willing to advise you on the dates for track days and the scheduled events in the TSSC racing calendar.
Can I just take this opportunity to thank all for your support with this event and the suggestions and ideas that are being put forward. There is only so much that can be changed each year but if you bear with us (and keep those offers of help coming in) we will continue to provide what our members ask of us, as much as is legally and safely possible.
Claire.
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Posted By : Stuart Newby, 14-Feb-2007, 09:53am
tend to agree with Christopher only been for the last 2 usually find it an effort to break the ice with people as they are normally all in groups with
awnings and BBQs going...you get a couple of them come over for a nose but that's it.
what's needed is more interactive events and competitions, which are light-hearted, not just concours and pride of ownership.
I usually pitch up at the evening disco...The real ale is extremely expensive for an event like this and the music normally consists of idiotic repetitive jibberish sometimes with foul connotations which i, and some others (some with young children) found quite offensive, as well as tedious - i don't stay long and go away. Bearing in mind that not all of us are 20 years old anymore and relish in the days of when our cars were normal daily transport, i find the organisation of the evening event a poor show and feel that certainly a different DJ should be considered that caters for all concerned. Why not have a Triumph quiz at the start ,and lay on a free pint for those who enter...what about a raffle for some gear?
Apart from that, a well organised event with friendly, helpful, quality traders - something I always look forward to.
cheers Stu
what's needed is more interactive events and competitions, which are light-hearted, not just concours and pride of ownership.
I usually pitch up at the evening disco...The real ale is extremely expensive for an event like this and the music normally consists of idiotic repetitive jibberish sometimes with foul connotations which i, and some others (some with young children) found quite offensive, as well as tedious - i don't stay long and go away. Bearing in mind that not all of us are 20 years old anymore and relish in the days of when our cars were normal daily transport, i find the organisation of the evening event a poor show and feel that certainly a different DJ should be considered that caters for all concerned. Why not have a Triumph quiz at the start ,and lay on a free pint for those who enter...what about a raffle for some gear?
Apart from that, a well organised event with friendly, helpful, quality traders - something I always look forward to.
cheers Stu
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Posted By : Vin Poonwassie, 14-Feb-2007, 10:00am
quote << Why not have a Triumph quiz at the start >> Stuart Newby
Woo Hoo! Quiz, I'm up for that! let's see if people know as much as they think they do! Techie and historic? -
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Posted By : Philip Charlton, 14-Feb-2007, 10:16am
I know of a band that is excellent, well, for my ear, and era of car. "The Brew" from grimsby. Cream, Hendrix, Who, Zepplin, and their own stuff. Top skills from the guitarist.
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Posted By : George Ralph, 14-Feb-2007, 12:14pm
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Posted By : Claire Hill, 14-Feb-2007, 10:23pm
Please don't forget the reduced entry fee for pre-booking, new for this year.
Pre-booked entry now just &163;15 per person for the weekend. This includes up to 3 nights camping, access to all site and entertainments, demonstrations, Friday and Saturday night entertainment, traders, autojumble, displays etc etc.
Admission on gate &163;17.50 per person for the weekend.
Booking forms to be in March Courier and on-line very soon. Alternatively give HQ a ring and we can take payment over the phone.
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Posted By : Stuart Newby, 15-Feb-2007, 10:09am
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Posted By : Stuart Newby, 15-Feb-2007, 12:07pm
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Posted By : Paul Mason, 15-Feb-2007, 11:02pm
Will there be a daily entry fee for those who cannot attend for the whole weekend?
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Posted By : Brian Hartles, 14-Mar-2007, 09:02pm
Just wanted to say i went to stafford last year and did not know what to think as it was the first event i have ever attended.
I went to Stoneleigh Park the other day and thought it was a total waste of time, so Stafford to Stonligh Park i think the event in Stafford was pretty good.
I am thinking about camping there this year and hope to make new friend.
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Posted By : Mark Naylor, 21-Feb-2007, 04:11pm
Obviously this is only my opinion but as someone who has been to every Stafford for the last 14 years without exception and has camped every time for
at least two nights and often three, I have to say that it is a great event. Along with Le Mans it is the only annual event that I will never miss. It
is great value for money and although it is not exactly local to me as I live in Surrey, I will continue to support the event as long as it continues.
It is an important Mecca for many members and I have made many friends over the years. Given Stafford&8217;s central location its ideal for
assembling members from all over the UK.
I do recall the first few years that I attended as being &8216;more lively&194;&8217; with the party continuing through the night &8211; we only managed 2 or 3am last year as I recall but nevertheless it always seems as if a good time is had by all. I agree that the formula has remained largely unchanged but that is not necessarily a bad thing; if people want to introduce new initiatives then they should be prepared get involved by offering their time and sharing their ideas. Personally I think the organizers do a great job and long may Stafford continue.
I do recall the first few years that I attended as being &8216;more lively&194;&8217; with the party continuing through the night &8211; we only managed 2 or 3am last year as I recall but nevertheless it always seems as if a good time is had by all. I agree that the formula has remained largely unchanged but that is not necessarily a bad thing; if people want to introduce new initiatives then they should be prepared get involved by offering their time and sharing their ideas. Personally I think the organizers do a great job and long may Stafford continue.
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Posted By : Andrew Stanton, 08-Apr-2007, 06:11pm
I waxed lyrically on this in the Courier last year, and, having had a couple of beers, it has come upon me again.
There will always be those folk who gloomily look into their pint pots and see them half empty, and those happy go lucky folk who see that there's still half a pint to go. So it is with anybody who regards Stafford through the rosie tinted lenses of nostalgia.
Let's be absolutely clear about this. You turn up at a party either wanting to be entertained, or intending to entertain. If you have an active disposition, Stafford (ghosts, past, present and future) will always be a gas because it will be an opportunity to blend partying (not to be knocked) with enthusiasm for old Triumphs (with a big and a small 't'). If you are expecting things to happen with no effort on your own part, then by all means look forward to a big anticlimax.
It takes me back to the sixties. Lots of sad acts turning up to parties with an Ansells Party Seven* expecting something fantastic to happen which will might involve sex, drugs or rock and roll, and they end up stuck in the kitchen with some boring old farts droaning on about football. If you wanted a good time you had to learn how to contribute. Rock n Roll in, leads to Rock n Roll out.
The people who have the best time at parties never stopped partying long enough to worry about whether they're having a good time.
So to the gentleman who started this thread what I want to say is this. The organisers are responsible only for arranging the party. You, and only you, are responsible for whether you have a good time.
End of rant!
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Posted By : Christopher Hartley, 13-Apr-2007, 03:16pm
I originally posed the question and, having read the above and spoken with the club directly, i honestly beleive that the TSSC has lost the plot.
I understand that Claire and many others are doing their best to put on a good show, however the fact of the matter is that they seem to spend most of their time telling everyone why the event cannot be improved, rather than getting on and doing something about it - Whoever thought that having an archery stand at a classic car event would be a big attraction has no idea. Grasping at straws springs to mind.
As for all these people that are saying get on and organise something yourself, i will reply by saying that i am a paid up member of a club and don't expect to organise my own events. Surely the professional staff at head office are the people who should sort out the events and make sure that they comply with current legislation. Volunteers can then flesh out the proposals if needed.
As for value for money, the entrance fee is fine for a 3 day camping weekend, but what if you only stop one night or even just turn up for the day?
When i spoke to the club directly, I suggested that the event should be held in tandem with a race meeting but was told that no other venue could match the price that Stafford Show Ground quotes and consequently, Stafford has been pre booked for a number of years in advance. (The brilliant facilities at Stafford were also mentioned - Well its a poor show if they are the best this county has to offer.)
I believe this to be extremly short sighted, as the current event is withering away in its current format. The extra cost of holding the event at a race track, in tandem with another reasonably sized club to share the costs, should attract more people due to the additional number of attractions.
I would also say to some of the other contributors to this string, that it is not unusual to expect to be entertained when you have paid an entrance fee to an international show. Comparing it to a party at someones house (which I'm sure many of the cliquey members see the weekend as) is ridiculous.
If the club is to move forward and prosper changes are need.
Its very difficult to stand up and make these sort of observation, but the replies appear to vindicate me - something needs to be done.
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Posted By : John Davies, 13-Apr-2007, 04:49pm
Christopher,
Quote, "i am a paid up member of a club and don't expect to organise my own events."
That comment makes me quite angry.
I am not, and never have been, a Stafford organiser, in fact I have been very critical of the Show in the past.
I share many of the criticisms that you make, especially about the Stafford Show Ground and the need to integrate the International with other events.
So I feel I can reply to your comment freely, as the organising committee may either ignore your ignorant comment, or reply in a restrained manner.
Have you considered what your TSSC membership fee pays for?
&163;40 is the cost of subscribing to a glossy monthly magazine, without the other benefits of membership of a club.
The International Committee is a group of volunteers, who do this for love of Triumph.
They are unpaid, though they may (I don't know) receive expences for travel, postage etc.
As are all the other Officers of the Club, except for the very small headquarters staff.
I have written and re-written this post, moderating my language each time and to give you the benefit of the doubt, that you are only ignorant, not just arrogant.
The TSSC is not gentleman's club, a package holiday or a hospital, where everything is done for you.
It is a group in which you need to give, as well as take.
Please find it in yourself to give something, and you will find your enjoyment multiplied.
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Posted By : Christopher Hartley, 13-Apr-2007, 05:05pm
John
Calm down - stooping to personal abuse is simply losing site of the bigger picture.
The point you refer to is merely a retort to the people who simply dismiss the arguments about Stafford by saying "instead of complaining, you try and organise the event instead."
I have already acknowledged the fact that many people volunteer to organise events and I take my hat off to them.
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Posted By : Leon Guyot, 13-Apr-2007, 08:05pm
Christopher,
If you actually read John's posting, he did not once abuse you.
He merely wrote that you were ignorant, which simply means to say that you are not in possession of all of the facts.
He also indicated that your posting made you sound arrogant, which is certainly the way I read it, before seeing John's reply.
Neither of these are abusive.
I did not find your original posting to be in any way constructive criticism, rather just the opposite, which is a shame.
The biggest problem is, and has been for many years, finding a suitable, and more importantly, affordable venue for a large car show.
The fact is that the UK just does not have enough options, and as the motorist seems to be regarded as public enemy number one in the UK nowadays, many site owners just don't want 'sports' car events on their property.
The way I see it is that people can do one, or both, of two things.
1. Contribute by making constructive suggestions and/or
2. Turn up at the show, preferably in a Triumph and enjoy it.
Regards
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Posted By : Susan Hare, 13-Apr-2007, 11:35pm
How can you criticise something that you have not seen? (the archers for example). You need to get off your backside and spend the WHOLE weekend at Stafford to appreciate what it is all about. I have criticised various things over the last few years I have been attending but will continue to support whoever organises it by being there.
It is not a job I would want myself and give all credit to the people who do it. I think some of the things said over the last few months have been unjustified and get the impression that some members want it to fail no matter what. The saying 'you can't please everyone' springs to mind. There are some areas of Stafford that do not interest me in the slightest but I can accept that the International is just that, not just for me but for everybody. The other thing that we have to remember is that there are lots of families who attend and need to be entertained too (I can assure you that kids are not interested in looking round shiny cars and autojumbles)
At South Yorks we have members who like racing and this is organised over the year. However other members are quite happy to come to the monthly meetings and the odd event, but we do try and have a variety of events to suit all members. We get 40 to 50 members every month so we must be doing something right.
All I will say is that I will be attending this year and hopefully many years after. If I feel so strongly that the event is 'so bad' then I will volunteer myself for the COM and make my voice heard.
Cheers to the International wherever it may be for many years to come, you can rely on my support!
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Posted By : James Fotheringham, 13-Apr-2007, 11:46pm
Christopher makes a good point poorly.
The TSSC must understand it is competing for peoples hard earned free time and money.
It is up against excellent, well oiled shows such as Goodwood, Silverstone Classic, STAB, TR Malvern etc etc.
Archery, Sumo Wrestling, and Camping isn't enough to revive a show which was roundly been criticised as poor last year.
A weekend camping ticket is not what most people are after, they want one good day out. Yet these prices are hardly advertised.
Besides there is barely enough to fill half a day let alone three!
Stafford showground is a dire location, it holds nothing for such an event, the county showgrounds are just about suitable the trade shows like Spares days and the like. But they need to be PACKED with traders, something I'm certain Stafford has not been recently.
The TSSC needs an event at a location which has either motoring significance, or if not, packed to the rafters with exhibits, traders and the like. Otherwise "Thumbs Down!"
Leon, you clearly haven't been to an event in the UK recently.
Get with it people. Race Retro, Goodwood, MGOC meets, VW Meets - ALL take place at locations happy to allow cars to drive around/race around.
To say that owners don't want sports cars around is perverse, the Car scene in the UK is as strong as ever. It's just the TSSC is squandering it position as the largest Triumph Club.
Plenty of UK circuits have huge expanses of fields and halls for exhibiting, and yet are skint. A bit of forward planning would get a weekend slot. A round of the TSSC/TR championship could be scheduled also.
Race Retro closed off access roads to race cars around.
VW use Santa Pod, and allow drag racing. ALWAYS packed
MG have huge multi club meets, but then the largest club in the MG scene actually got off it's arse and co-ordinated with the smaller ones to get them onboard!
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Posted By : Leon Guyot, 14-Apr-2007, 07:49am
Christopher makes a good point poorly.
The TSSC must understand it is competing for peoples hard earned free time and money.
It is up against excellent, well oiled shows such as Goodwood, Silverstone Classic, STAB, TR Malvern etc etc.
Archery, Sumo Wrestling, and Camping isn't enough to revive a show which was roundly been criticised as poor last year.
A weekend camping ticket is not what most people are after, they want one good day out. Yet these prices are hardly advertised.
Besides there is barely enough to fill half a day let alone three!
Stafford showground is a dire location, it holds nothing for such an event, the county showgrounds are just about suitable the trade shows like Spares days and the like. But they need to be PACKED with traders, something I'm certain Stafford has not been recently.
The TSSC needs an event at a location which has either motoring significance, or if not, packed to the rafters with exhibits, traders and the like. Otherwise "Thumbs Down!"
Leon, you clearly haven't been to an event in the UK recently.
Get with it people. Race Retro, Goodwood, MGOC meets, VW Meets - ALL take place at locations happy to allow cars to drive around/race around.
To say that owners don't want sports cars around is perverse, the Car scene in the UK is as strong as ever. It's just the TSSC is squandering it position as the largest Triumph Club.
>>>James, whilst I basically agree with you. The fact that the last time I attended UK events was back in 2001, I don't consider that has much to do with this discussion. If people are weary of the Stafford format, then it has clearly not changed much since I left the UK!
>>>I never said that the TSSC International MUST stay at Stafford ad infinitum, nor that the format should stay the same forever. I am merely supporting the TSSC International as an annual event for the club members to focus on.
>>>The same apparent stagnation occured at the Spitfire Weekend in Holland. When you have been to a few of those, then they are all pretty similar.
>>>I do think however, that people should be more supportive of Claire, who is doing her level best to improve matters.
I am also sure that TSSC Council of Management members are taking all this critcism on board, and will look really hard at what can be done.
>>>The events that you have chosen to compare the TSSC Intl with: ie: Goodwood Festival of Speed & Revival Meeting are wonderful events, it is true, but they are pretty darn expensive when compared with the TSSC Intl at Stafford!
>>>I also agree that much can be learned by taking a long hard look at other car club events and venues.
>>>FWIW, although Stafford is a relatively boring site, it is central and certainly, I know from many shows there, that Silverstone is a pretty nasty place for a show, especially if the weather turns nasty!
Plenty of UK circuits have huge expanses of fields and halls for exhibiting, and yet are skint.
>>>Yes, but have you asked yourself why that is? There is always a reason.
A bit of forward planning would get a weekend slot. A round of the TSSC/TR championship could be scheduled also.
Race Retro closed off access roads to race cars around.
VW use Santa Pod, and allow drag racing. ALWAYS packed
MG have huge multi club meets, but then the largest club in the MG scene actually got off it's arse and co-ordinated with the smaller ones to get them onboard!
You can call me ignorant, arrogant, and tell me to volunteer to make it better all you want, the fact is I'm not alone with these views.
>>>Thanks for making some useful and constructive suggestions.
Rgds
L&195;&169;on
>>>ps. I missed almost none of the larger TSSC shows 1981-2001, and also attended multiple general classic car shows over the years, so I do have 'some' idea what I am talking about! If the classic car scene has changed out of all recognition in the last 5 years, I would like to hear about it.
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Posted By : James Fotheringham, 14-Apr-2007, 01:35pm
>>>ps. I missed almost none of the larger TSSC shows 1981-2001, and also attended multiple general classic car shows over the years, so I do have 'some' idea what I am talking about! If the classic car scene has changed out of all recognition in the last 5 years, I would like to hear about it.
Leon, I don't mean any offence to yourself with my previous comments.
But there are several large venues across the UK who are struggling to fill a calendar, and would be happy to host a large Trump show!
I'm not suggesting Stoneleigh is the answer, but it has large halls for traders and exhibits.
They are also flexible about using the access roads and fields for sprinting/rallying etc
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Posted By : John Hill, 14-Apr-2007, 04:29pm
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Posted By : Paul Carter, 15-Apr-2007, 00:59am
c'mon then this is your club!..........hands up if you want an international at a track venue or similar as i for one would love a blast round a track(when my car is back on the road) and i'm sure there's many members who would like to do a track day type occasion without the hassle of having to enter a race series to experience the abilaties(typo) of their car .i'm not dismissing your concours or show and shine,each to their own, but maybe a more active role for the cars themselves.......it's late i've had a few be3rs.-
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Posted By : John Davies, 15-Apr-2007, 08:59am
Paul,
I agree with you, and so would many.
However, track days are easy to find - .
We just had a dedicated TSSC/TRR Triumph track day, at Mallory.
CT had another just before that, in conjunction with MGs, and are arranging others.
(An example of how cooperation between clubs can improve the events that are on offer)
There are half dozen companies out there that set them up all the time.
Did you go to any of these?
Anyone who really wants one, can find one - would it be an attraction for the International?
Worth a try, says I, but not to the detriment/annoyance of the many who don't like motorsport.
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Posted By : Paul Carter, 15-Apr-2007, 10:55pm
hi john,yes i am well aware of trackdays but alas have not been to any for a few years as my car has been off the road for the last 4 years undergoing more work(modifying)and new child comitments have reduced my work rate to a crawl only grabbing the odd couple of hours here and there.....but the end is in sight and i may well attend a few t/days in the not to distant future.what i really meant by my post was that the meeting felt a bit static,a bit like walking round a showroom if you get my drift.-
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Posted By : Nigel Gibbins, 16-Apr-2007, 09:11am
Just thought...
...but even if we do ever move the international to a location that has a track - it does not mean we need to run a track day with it. The circuit could be used for cruising rather than speed... how many of you would like to cruise around say donington? over the years I've seen loads of people paying a few quid at events (at circuits) to get two parade laps - if we had the place all day then you could get a damn sight more than 2 laps.
It's a way off though as the international looks like it's going to be at Stafford for a while yet. But of course, and Nohj knows we have looked at circuit venues.
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Posted By : Keith Dandridge, 16-Apr-2007, 09:30am
A ticket was stuck under my windscreen last week-end, for a meet at
Mallory. Looks a very slick event check out www.retro-rides-show.com
some pointers maybe.
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Posted By : Chris Taylor, 16-Apr-2007, 06:17pm
You've hit the nail on the head there! Although never likely to ever race my Triumphs, or race other machines, seeing others do so, (not to mention HEARING them do so!) and the chance to experience a racing circuit (or hillclimb) in a non-competitive event would certainly attract me to the International and give the CAR focus that I feel has been diminishing over the years. That is not to say we should ditch all the other things that folks find attractive about a big event, but add to them. And Donnington would also have the attraction of the race car collection which every petrolhead should visit.
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Posted By : John Martin, 16-Apr-2007, 07:54pm
To follow on from what a couple of people have said above I thought I'd wade in with a couple of views.
I went for the first time last year, mainly because I have a Mk1 GT6 and it was the anniversary of the GT6.
The event was poor to say the least. The event was bare and echoey and at certain times on the Saturday I swear you could see the tumble weed blowing across the place! Now you can probably argue this was partly because so many people went to Classic Le Mans, but nevertheless the entertainments and stalls available only took up a couple of hours and then I and my friend were bored for the rest of the time.
I am 28 so not in my youth but no where near an old duffer yet! However the Saturday night party is/was definately not to either my, nor my friends, taste.
We go to these Triumph events for the chat, the opportunity to talk to fellow Triumph bods etc. We do not go with the express purpose of having our ears blasted with so-called 'music' that is too loud to have a decent conversation for any length of time, or to see who can get drunk the fastest, behave the most stupidly and wake up the next day to say it was a great night because we can't remember anything!! Great when you're 18 and haven't lived and don't realise there is more to life than getting drunk of a night, but not suitable at a car event, especially with the binge drinking problem the country has. Take on a bit of responsibility.
I have to say I think the Isle of Wight area get it right when they hold their camping weekend. Great company and great entertainment. There is a bar, of course, but they give you the opportunity to chat in an atmosphere where you can hear each other, then have a quiz, and then have the loud music at the end for those who want it.
Everybody's happy!
Enough entertainment and activities throughout the day, with enough spare time to do your own thing as well.
I am going to give Stafford another chance because I know Claire is putting in a lot of hard work, along with others, to get the show back to what it was whenever it used to be good.
As a member of both CT and TSSC I would love to see a bit of inter-club cooperation. I think STAB is showing just how successful any collaborations can be.
Personally I have become much more active in CT than here, even though I joined TSSC first, because CT offer a wide range of events, a lot of which actually involve driving your car!
However I appreciate you need to have events that cater for all tastes, but that is where collaboration comes in. The TSSC does concourse events and field events really well. However where they seem to fall down is in the activity range. This is fine, no-one can do everything. By at least working with CT, and others I'm sure, they could tap into the knowledge and skill base of those members who create the driving events and such like thus providing a truly brilliant, and worthy of its title, International weekend.
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Posted By : Leon Guyot, 16-Apr-2007, 08:01pm
Donington sounds like a great idea, and we had an International there back in 1982, held on a large, rather steep, open field.
The main problem with most venues is indoor hall facilities, or lack of them...
I don't now WHEN exactly Donington got it's indoor halls, but I am pretty sure it was some time ago.
I've been to a few Autogrumbles and race meets there, which were great fun.
Sadly, I never managed to visit their museum, which one day, I will!
It is also important, if holding an event at Donington, to say WHICH Donington, because back in 82, that was not done and I heard reports about members going to other Doningtons!
Anything involving use of the race circuit would no doubt be expensive, need to be booked a long time in advance, and would need the presence of the various emergency services.
Perhaps Donington should be looked at a little more closely by the International Organising Team/CoM?
Just my thoughts
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Posted By : John Davies, 16-Apr-2007, 08:42pm
Donington has enough halls to house the What KitCar? show, AND to hold an entire grid of race cars (it has a covered assembly area).
Quite apart from the Museum (the Tom Wheatcroft Grand Prix Collection).
But as Nigel says, the Club seems to have taken a decision to pre-book Stafford for some years to come.
I understand that several other venues inc. Rockingham, have been investigated, and each lacks certain essentials (like acceptable camping sites).
So discussion of alternative venues seems premature and sterile at present, certainly before this year's.
As the Yanks say, cut them some slack! Lets see if this Stafford can succeed.
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Posted By : James Dennison, 16-Apr-2007, 09:54pm
John Martin Said -
"We go to these Triumph events for the chat, the opportunity to talk to fellow Triumph bods etc"
I agree, it makes all the difference when you get the chance to talk to folk with the same interest.
Family commitments and distance from Area Meets mean I don't know anyone in the various area groups that set up their camps and generally keep themselves to themselves (and why not!).
I generally camp with a mate and we always make the effort to talk to folk, but the ice breaking can be tough and you never really know if you are intruding.
How about a section at Stafford for Nobby no Mates? Where people who are not part of an active group and camp and know that the folk around them are in the same situation and want to talk?
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Posted By : John Davies, 16-Apr-2007, 08:01pm
Nigel,
Bags I drive a pace car!
'Cos there will have to be one/some or certain hooligans (Ahem!) will drive at full race speed, whatever the rules say.
And the best way to tame a hooligan is to make them responsible.
Until recently, I had only driven the full Silverstone GP circuit on a Top Gear day, when many manufacturers offered their wares for drives, "At less than 40 mph, please Sir". That was hard to achieve and required the presence of a rep, intoning that phrase, to do so.
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Posted By : Daniel Elliott, 12-May-2007, 03:45am
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Posted By : John Davies, 12-May-2007, 09:25am
Danial,
This happens several times a year - the TSSC/TRR track day and CT has arranged with MGs-on-Track to take part in their events.
See the CT MsB, in the 'Track Days' forum. http://club.triumph.org.uk/cgi-bin/blah/Blah.pl?b=...
No need to wait for Stafford to change.
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Posted By : James Beaumont, 12-May-2007, 01:34pm
Yes we need to move the show to donington, good for camping and nice hall for show cars and racing for race cars and track day after noon for none race cars and slow laps for the slow boys.
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Posted By : Jonathan Reed, 13-May-2007, 10:46am
Not sure H&S would approve (or that I'd be so trusting)!
http://hallpass.com/media/thedrivingmaster.html
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Posted By : Michael Charlton, 13-May-2007, 12:41pm
Concede to defeat James, Stafford will never change.
So I think we go for the past thoughts of chipping in and building a race car between us and enjoy the cars at different events. Different drivers/owners at different events. We have the members to do it with each one having different capabilities .
Mike
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So I think we go for the past thoughts of chipping in and building a race car between us and enjoy the cars at different events. Different drivers/owners at different events. We have the members to do it with each one having different capabilities .
Mike
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Posted By : John Davies, 13-May-2007, 05:44pm
James, Mike,
If you build a joint race car, have a look at hillclimbing or sprinting.
You can BOTH use the car at a hill climb, and so many people do this that there is a special numbering system to cater for it.
One driver will take part as "XY" and the other "1XY".
Not that I don't want you racing against me, of course!
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Posted By : George Ralph, 13-May-2007, 06:00pm
Yep,and entry fees for double drives are generally cheaper than two individuals. Double drives are very common in our discipline, particularly with purpose built (i.e expensive) racing cars.
If you need any help getting started, just email me.
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Posted By : Susan Hare, 13-May-2007, 08:45pm
I think you will find there have been various changes at Stafford for this year but until the event happens I don't suppose we will be able to comment on them. I think also that you are in a minority with regards to having the event at Donnington or such like. There are track days organised for racing events and personally I don't think the International is the right place for this. I am not saying that cars have to be parked for the whole weekend but for me racing is not the answer.
Don't get me wrong, I think there has been need for improvment at the event but let's give it at go and at least attend for the whole weekend!!
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Posted By : Michael Charlton, 14-May-2007, 08:39am
George / John
Having a Westfield , then we 're up to 'speed' if you like on Harewood.Donnington,Elvington, Binbrook etc
However , it seems a shame that the International weekend cant be shared with such exitement that would attract youngsters and keep the whole classic scene rolling for generations to come .
Yes we enjoy camping and we enjoy other members company but there are only so many stories you can share around the camp fire, without thinking " there must be more to life"
I still think thers room to mix and match
Thanks for the offer of assistance in getting the bone shakers to move quicker
Mike.
Having a Westfield , then we 're up to 'speed' if you like on Harewood.Donnington,Elvington, Binbrook etc
However , it seems a shame that the International weekend cant be shared with such exitement that would attract youngsters and keep the whole classic scene rolling for generations to come .
Yes we enjoy camping and we enjoy other members company but there are only so many stories you can share around the camp fire, without thinking " there must be more to life"
I still think thers room to mix and match
Thanks for the offer of assistance in getting the bone shakers to move quicker
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Posted By : Wayne Farnworth, 14-May-2007, 09:47am
I have to agree. One of the highlights of STAB recently was the hillclimb.
Cars being used, the noise, the smell - perfect complement to the day.
There seems to be a mental block with moving the international to a venue with race facilities.
I don't see why. If you only want tolook at shiny cars, you still could.
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Posted By : Gary Saunders, 14-May-2007, 10:38am
Hi all, just thought i'd add my two penneths worth. I always enjoy stafford, however i only usually go for the day, plenty to see and do although more traders would be nice! However i have to agree that Donnington would be a much better venue,afterall there is nothing that stafford has got that Donnington hasnt, plus there is the race track. For those that just want to sit and watch, there is ample parking space available.ALso plenty of room for camping. Im not knocking stafford but i think its time for a change of venue. Do organisers listen to our rantings or do they fall on deaf ears? It is not my intention to upset the organisers, they do a grand job and at the end of the day they cant force people to attend.-
Stafford - Is it really that good?
Posted By : Claire Hill, 14-May-2007, 11:47am
It is my first year attempting to organise this huge event. Learning the ropes is a very tricky and daunting task in itself which is why when I decided to attempt to follow in Chris's very hard to follow footsteps we decided that the Internatinal had to remain at Stafford for at least two consewcutive events just to give me a chance to learn how the event works and runs.
Please try to understand how much harder it would be to take over an event of this size AND move to a new location at the same time. However, this does not mean that all the comments made here are falling on deaf ears, we are looking at alternative venues but this will take time.
Meanwhile, I think the only answer to the question that started off this thread is..."Why not come and find out for yourself". I would be very interested over the weekend to speak to anyone in person who has contributed to this thread. Over the last 10 months many people have taken the time to contact me either by email, or in person at various shows and events and hopefully I have been able to answer their questions.
The event starts on Friday 6th lasting through to Sunday 8th, with something to see or do for most of your waking hours. Why not take advantage of the discounted prebooking by using the link on the International pages and come see what we have to offer?-
Stafford - Is it really that good?
Posted By : David Rumens, 14-May-2007, 08:34pm
I agree with Claire there is something for everybody at the International.
I can remember some 10 or 15 years ago lots of members wanted something more than a car show. Many had been single in the 1980's and developed a family in the 1990's. I guess the only way they could go to the event is if whole family went as well. Well the club listened, and due to the hard work of the organizers it does have something for all the family and has done so for a number of years. And we still have the hall full of Triumphs and lots more.
Please support Claire in all her hard work.
Thanks
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