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Posted By : Jonathan Reed, 02-Oct-2005, 10:12pm
That opener made me cringe too!
Not many TRs at Duxford today, loads more two years ago.
Hope the guy who chatted about spraying his Vit back to original Cactus does so- don't see one for years and three turn up ( 2 '64s and one '65 cactus Vit 6) and I couldn't even be original with a Tristan conversion with a herald beating me to the show!
Cold wind but stayed dry, good stuff (oh and I take great photographs, better than anyone else has ever tried to and ever achieved and ........
Not many TRs at Duxford today, loads more two years ago.
Hope the guy who chatted about spraying his Vit back to original Cactus does so- don't see one for years and three turn up ( 2 '64s and one '65 cactus Vit 6) and I couldn't even be original with a Tristan conversion with a herald beating me to the show!
Cold wind but stayed dry, good stuff (oh and I take great photographs, better than anyone else has ever tried to and ever achieved and ........
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Posted By : Adrian Lee, 02-Oct-2005, 10:28pm
OOOOOOOOOOOOOops...............nearly forgot,well it's good enough for TLD to advertise FOC..................."Bought a bonnet in Bathgate,live in London,no problem, PM me and i'll collect and deliver it for you.Good rates, as members will testify,instead of me telling you how cheap and good we are"....................can you tell that TLD annoys me?-
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Posted By : John Fannon, 03-Oct-2005, 05:18pm
Adrian
I also laughed at the rather modest intro...well...I used to know Mr Triumph...so there!
Since I re-joined TSSC a couple of years ago I've noticed that the contents of teh courier are generally not worth the read. Does anyone really want to read about the ins and outs of traffic law every month for example???
The articles are difficult to follow because of the bizarre column formatting, most of the articles are written by people who've been doing it for the last x years and now don't really have anything interesting to add.
I've learned more from participating in the message boards than from reading the mag and these days it only gets a casual glance over.
I think the TSSC need to do something to spice up it's image...seems like there are more people leaving than joining these days.
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Posted By : Ben Hutchings, 03-Oct-2005, 06:06pm
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...that everyone is a beautiful petal on the flower of life... you are a beautiful petal Adrian... and so is TLD.
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Posted By : Jonathan Binnington, 03-Oct-2005, 08:40pm
I seriously doubt it will be anyone's last post. Sometimes home truths are uncomfortable.
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Posted By : John Davies, 03-Oct-2005, 08:58pm
Adrian,
I think I'll pass on commenting about TLD. Too much stirring spoils the pot!
But John,
Have you not noticed that the Courier is (very largely) written by members - ie readers; ie you? (I'm doing Bernie's job here!) If you want hard hitting investigative journalism, or innovative technical stuff, you've got to write it yourselves. Otherwise it does become the Parish Magazine of St.Triumphs.
Adrian, send your TLD comments as a letter to Bernie. Copy the letter to TLD and invite him to respond - I'll look forward to that correspondence column!
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Posted By : Colin Wake, 03-Oct-2005, 10:04pm
As John has intimated, TLD took a position (TR Registrar) that no-one else was interested in taking on. It is a column that is written by a member for other members to read and enjoy (or read and disagree with!). A member who was willing to make a commitment to write a column every month.
Yes the sales pitch was a little strong in my opinion in the latest issue, but it did provide a very interesting read, especially in light of the messageboard discussions of the previous week.
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Posted By : Graham Bingham, 03-Oct-2005, 10:21pm
I read this strap line and immediately turned over the page, anyone with opinions of himself like this ain't gonna write anything I'm interested in. Maybe the standards he sets are so low no-one else can get down that far!!! Just a thought.-
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Posted By : Ben Hutchings, 03-Oct-2005, 10:58pm
FIGHT!!! hehe.. what a childish response. excellent. Next I'm expecting a "my dads stronger than your dad" comment... This beats reality TV.
TLD's article was good. The technical ones are always good I find. The strapline was a bit corney, but hey, he's confident in his abilities. I wish I could be that confident about anything.
Alas tis time to sleep.... goodnight people, your conversation has been most interesting.
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Posted By : Kevin Rochfort, 04-Oct-2005, 11:08pm
I find that what TLD has to say is very interesting, I just have difficulty with the way he says it.
Having said that, if I had a choice between what he has to say in the way he says it,, and nothing, then I'll read what he writes - I'm mature enough to filter the sales pitch and sniping from the technical data. And wasn't it timely what he had to write about oil starvation of the front journal on a 6 pot, just as we had finished doing the subject to death in the two weeks before the Courier came out !-
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Posted By : Andy Cook, 05-Oct-2005, 00:55am
This is actually the last post !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just thought I'd lighten up the thread a bit.....................
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Posted By : Graham Bingham, 05-Oct-2005, 10:17pm
Andy,
Is this a picture of the said geezer actually blowing his own trumpet ? I assumed he only did it metaphorically, obviously he's playing a tune to a standard only he can reach and that many others have tried and failed to achieve. This bloke really must be something special , maybe he can replace Wayne Rooney in Englands next match or maybe fill Ronnie Corbetts vacancy for a comedy genius.
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Posted By : John Fannon, 04-Oct-2005, 12:50pm
John
I know that it's written by the readers and I appreciate those that write the articles have taken time out to do so. However, that doesn't make it an interesting read. More technical articles would be better and maybe a 'how to' section as it seems like a lot of questions posted here are on similar subjects (ie. fitting seat belts, rear wheel bearings, easy DIY mods like electronic ignition etc etc). Maybe there should be some incentive for sending in articles.
If you didn't actually read it, TLDs article was probably the most interesting of the bunch this month, but even that wasn't really applicable to the vast majority of members.
Perhaps I'll write about my vitesse rear end rebuild - I've even got photos.
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Posted By : Neil Nasralla, 04-Oct-2005, 02:11pm
I thought TLD's article was very interesting but I did find his sales pitch and arrogant introduction to be in extremely poor taste. It did read like a sales flyer rather than an article about oil distribution around the Triumph six-pot. He does write well (once you get over the self-conceitedness inherant in his articles), the article did seem to be informative and I did read the rest of the article with interest. I do think that TLD did make every opportunity to self-agrandise in his first paragraph - I don't suppose he has heard of the term modesty!
I am unsure whether his sales hype would serve in his interests as many would read the introduction and think 'What and arrogant b*&^%r...' but I do not see how the Courier can prevent such articles without losing such mostly valuable inputs from TLD. His latest artciles have, at least, been talking points.
I find his tone quite objectionable but behind that he does seem to make some good points albeit opinionated (although I might add that I am an enthusiast with little knowledge). I certainly won't be buying anything from him as a result of his arrogance about his own abilities as a Triumph expert/God. I suppose TLD's time is valuable and without getting something from his input into the Courier we would be without something read and then discuss at length on this and other fora.
I know who I use when I want something doing and it isn't TLD. I understand people being upset but, to me, his articles provide interest and amusement but certainly don't get me reaching for my wallet!!
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Posted By : Keith Dandridge, 04-Oct-2005, 03:14pm
Push rod engine mods have been my passion for more than three decades now, and I found
the article in question quite informative. I would hate to see original articles in The Courier' dry up because
of sniping. I used to pass on the odd engine building tip myself until I was on the receiving end of one of Adrian's
barbs. Of course I'm adult enough to laugh this off and indeed Adrian and I now exchange the odd 'e' mail
and even parts. BUT I no longer offer anyone advice. Triumphs have been around a long time now and it's
always going to be difficult to write a regular, interesting article. Let's give the guy a break.
Now did I ever tell you about the unbeatable formula junior engines I used to build????
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Posted By : Adrian Lee, 04-Oct-2005, 10:40pm
Keith...you are a star........all the best mate.
So what are the junior engines?And will they beat my modified BM10 diesels?
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Posted By : David Styles, 05-Oct-2005, 11:47am
I just wish he'd start publishing the prices as well..
I want to know how much one of his extractor manifolds costs,.. and I need a new cam, and I'm wondering how much a TLD special costs.
it'd be much more helpful if he published the prices as well,.. and of course he'd make more sales that way,.. otherwise people just think "one day".. whereas if someone says.. you can have it for "X" pounds, you start planning.
my advice to him is to start publishing the prices too... I think the articles will be of much more use to both him and the club members with prices set out at the end.
I want to know how much one of his extractor manifolds costs,.. and I need a new cam, and I'm wondering how much a TLD special costs.
it'd be much more helpful if he published the prices as well,.. and of course he'd make more sales that way,.. otherwise people just think "one day".. whereas if someone says.. you can have it for "X" pounds, you start planning.
my advice to him is to start publishing the prices too... I think the articles will be of much more use to both him and the club members with prices set out at the end.
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Posted By : James Carruthers, 05-Oct-2005, 11:56am
Erm - then I would expect him to be paying for a multi page advert then!
And for some text at the top saying "This is an advertisment." like they do in magazines where they try and fob you off that it's an article, but really it's trying to sell you something.
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Posted By : David Styles, 05-Oct-2005, 12:07pm
erm.. how do you mean ??
I don't see any of the other adverts in the courier with a disclaimer saying "this is an advert"..
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Posted By : James Carruthers, 05-Oct-2005, 12:12pm
Because his adverts would be the form of "TSSC opinion" and not a standard advert.
Anyone who is new to Triumphs and tuning would start reading the Courier and think that his was the only tuning place around!
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Posted By : David Styles, 05-Oct-2005, 12:17pm
Hangon..
I'm missing something here..
are you saying that if TLD starts putting prices on his adverts then he has to put
"This is an advert" at the top of it ??
How will it change it from the current advert just because he puts prices on it ??
surely the point of all adverts is to try and get everyone to think you are the best place to go ??
indeed that you may be the ONLY viable place around ??
if you can convince the punters of that.. then your advert is surely working ??
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Posted By : James Carruthers, 05-Oct-2005, 12:33pm
Dave,
In my opinion, at the moment his "articles" take the form of long winded advertisments - just without prices at the moment.
If he starts putting prices in his articles - then he needs to pay for them and the club needs to consider them as advertisments. As they are in the form of a monthly article in the magazine - then you need to point out that it is in fact an advert and not an article in the magazine like the rest of them.
Articles in the magazine should be unbiased and should really show everything the world has to offer - not just one mans products.
I have no problem with a club member writing something about a product - but it should be both good and bad - and also independant.
Please do not get me wrong - I enjoy TLDs articles from a technical point of view. But I feel at the moment anyone new to the scene will just go to TLD for an engine - or believe that he is the one. This is also pretty bad on the other advertisers in the magazine - they will lose business! There have already been enough advertisers pulling their adverts in the last 6 months!
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Posted By : David Styles, 05-Oct-2005, 12:56pm
WOAH !!!!
JC: In my opinion, at the moment his "articles" take the form of long winded advertisments - just without prices at the moment.
>> hangon they are adverts already aren't they ?? isn't that why you've put "articles" in quotes ?? <<
JC: If he starts putting prices in his articles - then he needs to pay for them and the club needs to consider them as advertisments.
>> You mean he ISN'T paying for his adverts ?? how does that work then ?? I have to pay to advertise stuff in the courier,
why does TLD get to place free adverts ?? What do the other traders in who advertise in the courier think about that I wonder ??
Is it because he is the technical chap that he gets free adverts.. I didn't know the club granted people free adverts if they held a position, is that true for everyone.
I thought the adverts he is placing in teh courier were separate to his role...
are you saying THEY ARE NOT ADVERTS ??? I think you've got the wrong end of the stick Mr Carruthers !!
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Posted By : Ian Mulford, 05-Oct-2005, 01:03pm
I can see what James is saying. Because it's meant to be an article TLD's written and not an advert, the minute he starts putting any prices in the article it stops being an article and becomes an advert for him. The way round it would be to put prices from other places in there as well to make it unbiased towards his buisness.
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Posted By : David Styles, 05-Oct-2005, 01:08pm
Quote:
"Because it's meant to be an article TLD's written and not an advert"
erm..
its not is it ?? its an advert isn't it ???
isn't it ?
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Posted By : Nigel Gibbins, 05-Oct-2005, 12:06pm
He told me that he didn't want to sell his engine components seperately but wanted to sell engine 'packages' instead.
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Posted By : David Styles, 05-Oct-2005, 12:09pm
Nig,..
he specifically says he's going to supply the oil feed things as kits.. but then doesn't give us a price, I was just commenting that a price would be useful.
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Posted By : Colin Wake, 05-Oct-2005, 12:31pm
Perhaps TLD should place a separate advert in the Courier advising all the prices.
That way the TSSC gets revenue as well.
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Posted By : David Styles, 05-Oct-2005, 12:57pm
are you saying he should be placing two adverts ??
why can't he just put the prices in his first advert ??
the other advertisers do....
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Posted By : Ian Mulford, 05-Oct-2005, 01:06pm
Like this?
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Posted By : Colin Wake, 05-Oct-2005, 01:16pm
I thionk we are all confused now.
TLD places adverts in teh Courier, which he pays for, in which there are no prices.
He also write articles, that read like adverts for his business, that he doesn't pay for, which contain no prices.
What I was suggesting was a 3rd 'item' which is a paid for advert, containing details of what he mentioned in the article, that contains the prices of said articles, and that he apid for.
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Posted By : David Styles, 05-Oct-2005, 01:22pm
luckily I have my courier to hand..Oct 2005.
There is only one advert from TLD in it.. on page 64, called
"Oil distribution at High RPM"
are you saying that isn't an advert for his business and is infact an article ??? and he doesn't pay for it...
you are kidding right ??
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Posted By : Jonathan Reed, 05-Oct-2005, 01:23pm
Yes and no.
But what about those 'assertiveness in your business' courses he runs - should he have to pay to advertise these?
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or like this
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Posted By : Ian Mulford, 06-Oct-2005, 12:15pm
now why didn't that happen to me when I tried it?
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Posted By : Kevin Rochfort, 06-Oct-2005, 12:50pm
because it is colon hypen capital S or colon
small s Colon big S gives this :S
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Posted By : Ian Mulford, 06-Oct-2005, 02:39pm
ahhhh, I was going by the msn messenger keystrokes which you don't seem to need the hyphen.
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Posted By : James Carruthers, 05-Oct-2005, 01:18pm
I don't have my most recent issue to hand - but in the June issue this year - he had 6 pages.
I doubt very much that TLD will want to pay the going rate for, say, a two page advert in the courier. Every month. That's a serious amount of cash each year!
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Posted By : David Styles, 05-Oct-2005, 01:26pm
I do.. see above and my reply to the post below !!
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Posted By : Barry Huffer, 05-Oct-2005, 01:22pm
Dave
I think the problem is that at the moment TLD is supposedly writing articles for the Courier, they are not or at least should not be adverts.
The style of them, however, is leading a lot of people to consider them as thinly veiled adverts, which may not be TLD's intention just his style.
The consensus would appear to be that the technical articles are very interesting and informative but need less of the advertising content.
I suspect that nobody would object to anybody including TLD writing a technical article and having a separate advert alongside selling the items dicussed including the prices but not to get free advertising via an article.
Personally I think editorial powers should be exercised to edit the articles before publication and remove any potentially offensive, advertorial or other unacceptable content before publication.
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Posted By : David Styles, 05-Oct-2005, 01:25pm
see my note above..
there is only the one advert in from TLD this month..
Its 3 and a half pages..
I was presuming he was very rich as he keeps taking out MASSIVE adverts in the courier ..
are you saying the club gives him those adverts for free ??
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Posted By : Barry Huffer, 05-Oct-2005, 01:46pm
Dave
You type too fast you were adding your comment while I was still typing mine.
But you are right and I repeat it is up to the editor to ensure this doesn't happen.
Incidentally didn't you see the previous months comments about a competitor tuning business!!!
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Posted By : David Styles, 05-Oct-2005, 01:51pm
well.. how strange...
I thought they were adverts and that TLD was a rich chap as he could afford to keep taking out such big adverts..
I also thought that the club must be doing really well out of it !
quite a shock to find out they aren't charging him for them at all....
luckily I'm not a business, but I tell you what I can't understand why the others pay for their adverts if TLD gets his for free....
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Posted By : Colin Wake, 05-Oct-2005, 02:19pm
David
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Posted By : David Styles, 05-Oct-2005, 02:40pm
I obviously have been grabbing the wrong end of the stick.. the very same thing I accused Mr Carruthers of earlier.
Having re read it with a different view point.. (its not an advert !!)..
I'm a bit shocked..
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Posted By : Ian Mulford, 05-Oct-2005, 02:51pm
I'm exhausted after reading all those posts...
Nothing like a good bit of healthy discussion on a Wednesday afternoon
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Posted By : Don Cook, 05-Oct-2005, 03:05pm
Now 3:00pm and I've finished the 'read'.
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Posted By : Ian Mulford, 06-Oct-2005, 09:10am
Hi Don,
To be honest I hadn't noticed the GT6 before as I was living at the bottom of the hill and never really went that way. However, now I'm living at the top of the hill I noticed it on my walk to work this morning. Don't know who owns it but it's looking a bit sad. I reckon it's something to do with the house on the corner.
As for the Crown selling marvelous Belgium beer, long may it continue.
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Posted By : Mark Stradling, 05-Oct-2005, 03:38pm
As this horse is still twitching, I think I'll give it a flog as well
Have to agree with Barry on this one - we need to wake up the editors.
(In my opinion...)
A technical article, referring to TR issues from the TR Technical Secritary is fine. An article from the TR Technical Secritary complaining about the standard of driving in the TR/TSSC Championship is not. Put it in is a Letter To The Editor by all means, but not as something it isn't.
A technical article regarding oil supply from someone with many years experience building and tuning Triumph engines is fine. One that implies, either intentionally or deliberatly that this is a new discovery that the author (and only the author) has/can solve is not - people have posted to these forums over the last few days that Kas Kastner also proposed the additional oil gallery feed back in the 70's.
Editing the Courier can not be an easy task - everything is bound to come in ON the deadline for articles and this is someones hobby, not full time job. Articles still need to be edited to minimise any form of bias/undesirable tone.
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Posted By : Mark Field, 05-Oct-2005, 05:49pm
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Posted By : Philip Brammer, 05-Oct-2005, 06:01pm
The guy has an enormous ego but knows more about his business than I do. He passed on his knowledge of the engine oil feed system to me and for that it was worth the read as it cleared up the mystery of why the pressure at No1 main can be lost. It also convinced me not to grow any facial hair. The article may well have been a medium to advertise his goods but as I can't afford em' anyway its not upset me that much
Off topic I loved the article about Tigger as well as that by NiG. I always understood the pinking sound was made by the piston tops vibrating like a drum as they compress the expanding gasses too early. This causes lots of damage underneath the piston crown often before its noticed on the top. Just wondering what the underside of the piston in NiG's article looked like?-
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Posted By : Nigel Gibbins, 06-Oct-2005, 10:33am
It was looking at the underside that made me notice the cracks... there was no visible damage to the underside but for a hairline crack running behind the lands - in fact they were still spotlessly clean and shiney. Investigating this with my finger allowed me to pull the lands clear of the piston... and then everything fell apart.
BTW - I haven't seen this article myself yet as my Courier hasn't arrived
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Posted By : Jonathan Reed, 05-Oct-2005, 07:04pm
Incidently, those pages with 'Advertisement' or 'Promotion' are usually called Advertorials (nice Americanism for you!) - advertisers like them because they look like editorial (ie like rest of magazine) so the reader doesn't flick past like its just another ad and the magazines like them cos they bring in lots of dosh. In fact the mags were forced to make it clear with that strap line that it was promotional since they used not to make it clear those pages were directly paid for. Some editors don't like advertorials because they believe it taints their journalistic integrity with the possibility of readers being duped into believing its an inpartial piece of work.
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Posted By : David Styles, 06-Oct-2005, 09:34am
Quote : No judgement here, just passing on some of my extensive and unrivalled professional knowledge.
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